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medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #14 on:** June 13, 2025, 03:32:46 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on June 13, 2025, 01:32:24 PM

While I do find this interesting, it is slightly off point WRT A/C.

Indoor heating has obviously been around for a very long time. What changed is the availability of A/C so what would be more relevant to population trends would be a map of basically "Number of days of comfortable OR COOLER weather". Ie, instead of daily high of 50-85, just daily high of <85. That would obviously increase the # of days for everything in the North while having little or no impact in the South*.

*There are exceptions, of course. Parts of Arizona get REALLY cold as do parts of Texas, etc.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #15 on:** June 13, 2025, 03:52:48 PM »

It's 94 today and I'm comfortable.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #16 on:** June 13, 2025, 03:59:51 PM »

I was just at the pool, it's 84°F here with a slight breeze, partly cloudy, it felt comfortable after I got out of the pool and had dried off.

Humidity is listed at 58%. I could manage without AC today. But it's June.

Earlier when I was running I was definitely hot though

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #17 on:** June 13, 2025, 04:24:19 PM »

Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on June 13, 2025, 03:32:46 PM

While I do find this interesting, it is slightly off point WRT A/C.

Indoor heating has obviously been around for a very long time. What changed is the availability of A/C so what would be more relevant to population trends would be a map of basically "Number of days of comfortable OR COOLER weather". Ie, instead of daily high of 50-85, just daily high of <85. That would obviously increase the # of days for everything in the North while having little or no impact in the South*.

*There are exceptions, of course. Parts of Arizona get REALLY cold as do parts of Texas, etc.

Well, I disagree to an extent. Because while heating can make you nice and comfortable indoors, you have to leave the house eventually. And for a couple of months per year in the Midwest, that's just... Painful.

I've said before that one of my most happy days was the day--about 8 months into living in CA, when I realized the plastic ice scraper on the floor in my back seat could just be... thrown away. I wasn't going to be needing it. I wouldn't have to shovel or snowblow. I wouldn't have any days where I had to bundle up. I mean... It still got chilly in San Jose in the winter. Overnight. But it didn't get frigid, and once the sun came up it was typically still nice.

So it's a cuts both ways. The introduction of AC made it feasible for people to move to the South because they could finally exist comfortably indoors. But even though houses in the North were heated during the winters... People still moved south to flee those same winters.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #18 on:** June 13, 2025, 04:34:42 PM »

There is a pretty neat town in the NC mountains called Highlands, I think it's around 4400 feet, and it's where a lot of wealthy southerners would venture in summer.

It's a pretty ritzy town today, no touristy spots, no chain restaurants or motels. Each thousand feet of altitude cuts 4.5°F in temperature, on average.

So, if it's 90°F in Atlanta, add 3400 feet and it's 74° or so.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #19 on:** June 13, 2025, 05:05:55 PM »

Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on June 13, 2025, 04:24:19 PM

Well, I disagree to an extent. Because while heating can make you nice and comfortable indoors, you have to leave the house eventually. And for a couple of months per year in the Midwest, that's just... Painful.

But it is the same with A/C.

I guess it also depends on HOW hot we are talking. I had some relatives that lived in Tucson and we visited them in the early 80s. They had an air-conditioned garage. We thought that was a silly extravagance until we visited them in the summer. Good god. It routinely gets above 110 there. I know it is a personal preference. You might rather deal with 110-120 outdoor temperatures and be able to throw your scraper away. I'll keep my scraper.

If we are talking about a situation where heat is commonly available and A/C is either not invented yet or not accessible to the masses there is a BIG difference between heat and cool. You CAN get out of the cold, you CANNOT get out of the hot.

If this is 1900 and A/C hasn't been invented yet and it is 120 in Tucson you are just plain suffering through 120 with no respite. If this is 1900 in Minneapolis and it goes down to -20 overnight, throw an extra lump of coal on the fire and you'll be snug.

jgvol · « **Reply #20 on:** June 13, 2025, 05:18:39 PM »

Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on June 13, 2025, 05:05:55 PM

But it is the same with A/C.

I guess it also depends on HOW hot we are talking. I had some relatives that lived in Tucson and we visited them in the early 80s. They had an air-conditioned garage. We thought that was a silly extravagance until we visited them in the summer. Good god. It routinely gets above 110 there. I know it is a personal preference. You might rather deal with 110-120 outdoor temperatures and be able to throw your scraper away. I'll keep my scraper.

If we are talking about a situation where heat is commonly available and A/C is either not invented yet or not accessible to the masses there is a BIG difference between heat and cool. You CAN get out of the cold, you CANNOT get out of the hot.

If this is 1900 and A/C hasn't been invented yet and it is 120 in Tucson you are just plain suffering through 120 with no respite. If this is 1900 in Minneapolis and it goes down to -20 overnight, throw an extra lump of coal on the fire and you'll be snug.

In cold -- you can put on enough clothes to stay warm

In hot -- you cannot take off enough clothes to get cool.

That Cali weather though.....just right.

Minneapolis is the coldest I've ever been in my life. F that place.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #21 on:** June 13, 2025, 05:31:50 PM »

San Diego was the coldest I’ve been in weeks.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #22 on:** June 13, 2025, 06:13:00 PM »

Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on June 13, 2025, 05:05:55 PM

But it is the same with A/C.

I guess it also depends on HOW hot we are talking. I had some relatives that lived in Tucson and we visited them in the early 80s. They had an air-conditioned garage. We thought that was a silly extravagance until we visited them in the summer. Good god. It routinely gets above 110 there. I know it is a personal preference. You might rather deal with 110-120 outdoor temperatures and be able to throw your scraper away. I'll keep my scraper.

If we are talking about a situation where heat is commonly available and A/C is either not invented yet or not accessible to the masses there is a BIG difference between heat and cool. You CAN get out of the cold, you CANNOT get out of the hot.

If this is 1900 and A/C hasn't been invented yet and it is 120 in Tucson you are just plain suffering through 120 with no respite. If this is 1900 in Minneapolis and it goes down to -20 overnight, throw an extra lump of coal on the fire and you'll be snug.

We're not disagreeing here.

My point is that you're talking about indoor temps, though.

I'll use myself here as anecdata. I DO NOT want to move back to Chicago. I DO NOT want to deal with those winters any more.

However, if it was a question of winter in Chicago vs heat in Austin w/o AC, or heat in Atlanta w/o AC, or heat in Tucson w/o AC or heat in Miami w/o AC... I might choose Chicago.

But once you introduce AC, now you have comfortable indoor temps in the South, and HORRIFIC outdoor temps in the North. It's not just a pull... It's also a push. People WANT to get out of the cold--and AC makes that possible because it allows you to deal with the heat.

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #23 on:** June 13, 2025, 06:26:50 PM »

Extreme hot is just less of a hassle today than extreme cold. Icy roads, snow chains, digging your car out, shoveling snow, etc.....vs discomfort in the hot.

Multiple pairs of socks, gloves, hats, jackets......just so much STUFF. Such a pain in the ass.

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #24 on:** June 13, 2025, 06:30:27 PM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 13, 2025, 03:52:48 PM

It's 94 today and I'm comfortable.

I am heading to my cabin on the lake in Michigan- for the summer. They have been having overnight lows in the high 50s and low 60s where you can actually have your windows open!

I will have to come back to Florida at least once a month for work purposes, but that’s OK

FearlessF · « **Reply #25 on:** June 13, 2025, 06:30:43 PM »

true

91 here, I'm comfortable - no A/C
yet

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #26 on:** June 13, 2025, 06:32:31 PM »

Looking forward to it.

FearlessF · « **Reply #27 on:** June 13, 2025, 06:36:14 PM »

expected overnight low of 64, my windows will be open

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