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Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #420 on:** December 04, 2017, 06:36:27 AM »

Quote from: rolltidefan on December 03, 2017, 10:13:05 PM

Bama (not just saban) doesn’t lose that bad to bad teams. We haven’t lost by 30+ to an unranked team since 1916 or something. Haven’t lost to Ann unranked team at all since 2007.
If osu is just close in that game they’re in. Or if Bama loses to anyone like that they’re out.
And all you guys acting like saban/Bama are scared to play good teams are laughable. Need to step back and calm down. FSU crap the bed this season but there is no way in hell Bama/saban knew that would happen. The neutral site games, while tiresome as a fan, are financially huge for Bama. That is why they do it. Not from fear lol. Most of you guys are brilliant but sometimes you guys lose your minds on this stuff.

Sorry, that's not going to fly here. This has nothing to do with OSU- hell, rank then 10th...nobody cares because they got creamed.
It is a huge deal to reward the ONLY conference that allows 4 non conference games ( 4 scheduled wins in most cases, because they also won't travel in those rare cases the team they are playing is more than FCS)- with TWO spots in the playoff.
They should never let a team into the top 4 AFTER getting spanked in their last game. NEVER. It is completely biased. Like so many are saying( Joel Klatt, Tom Fornelli, etc)
The committee lost all credibility this time....its just 13 personal opinions.
And I am sorry, the " eye test " is BS. Think about it...what factual evidence supports it? NONE.
I could always make sense of what they did, even when they left what was generally thought to be a team as good or better then Bama out in 2015- (OSU), but this year,
A team kiss/assed their way in on a bad loss and a bye week for recruiting, and a pussified schedule.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/what-we-learned-dont-listen-to-the-cfp-heres-why-alabama-is-in-over-ohio-state/

Cincydawg · « **Reply #421 on:** December 04, 2017, 08:26:59 AM »

If you lose twice, you need to have a really compelling story with wins, really compelling.

That's my take.

Every one loss conference champion has been selected. We've had now two at large one loss teams get in over 2 loss champs. There is the sign.

ALA2262 · « **Reply #422 on:** December 04, 2017, 08:54:59 AM »

Quote from: Kris61 on December 03, 2017, 10:08:59 PM

Yeah, but the response to that is play your 4 OOC games at the beginning of the season and you will have more teams available to play.

If Auburn would do that also, then Bama would. I would prefer the SEC use that week for conference games and not leave it open for OOC. And I suspect Saban does also. Especially since he is the only coach in the conference in favor of a 9th conference game. Play the additional game on that weekend.

BuckeyeAvenger · « **Reply #423 on:** December 04, 2017, 09:40:50 AM »

How did the third best SEC team make the playoffs? By staying home and doing nothing, while other teams worked hard and won Championships. Alabama didn’t win a division title, a conference title and lost the only tough game they played to their rival Auburn (the second best SEC team). The message from the committee? Play a nothing schedule (best win was at Mississippi State) that includes the likes of mighty Mercer, and we will only look at the losses of other teams, rather than the Tide’s own criminal lack of accomplishment. It was supposed to be about who your team beat and the Championships that were won. It turned out to be about accomplishments in prior seasons (should be immaterial), and membership the SEC conference. It would have been easier to accept Auburn, since they beat both Alabama and Georgia. Disgusted with the committee, for taking a national playoff and turning it into a regional one.

TyphonInc · « **Reply #424 on:** December 04, 2017, 09:41:48 AM »

We all can suspect a lot of things, but when your suspicions don't match reality your gonna get challenged on it.

ESPN/'bama trying to claim FSU as a top 5 team is laughable. Never scheduling a P5 team on the road is laughable. Only playing 8 conference games and claim it's comparable to conferences who play 9 is laughable. [Tangent: 2 of the conferences that play 9 games got snubbed this year, do they back off?] Saban changing his tune yearly to get his team to the playoffs is laughable (smart on his part, but laughable to the rest of us.)

Last year I was in the camp of PSU to the playoff, they won head to head with OSU, and the B1G Championship, the committee came back with "body of work" and could support since they had several common opponents; this year the same "body of work" is just a beauty pageant. Whoever got skipped has a legitimate complaint, and who got picked should feel fortunate.

I really hope that 'bama gets embarrassed this year, not because I'm against them, but I want to nip the non-conference champ in the playoff selection. I really want OSU to pound USC, not just because I'm a fan, but I want conference champs to be in the playoff, unless there is a clear cut better team, and I don't think anyone can really say clear cut 'bama is better than OSU.

TresselownsUM · « **Reply #425 on:** December 04, 2017, 10:01:05 AM »

If you lose twice, you need to have a really compelling story with wins, really compelling.

That's my take.

Every one loss conference champion has been selected. We've had now two at large one loss teams get in over 2 loss champs. There is the sign.

I agree, but I don't think it's right.

The signs are obvious there will not be a 2 loss team in over a 1 loss team. which means the PAC, BIG, BIG12 playing 9 conference games is only hurting themselves. Schools like USC, OSU, Oklahoma, Clemson and many others that play big OOC games are only hurting themselves. and that is a shame for the sport. when fans are being asked to pay higher and higher costs to attend games, then the teams and conferences should be required to put better matchups on the field. this needs to start with every conference playing 9 games (I'm sorry SEC, but when you're firing 5 coaches in the offseason, that means your conference isn't very good). or everyone goes back to 8 (which means less entertaining games, not my preference)

if we could at least start with this, I'd be happy.

but I think everyone should be playing 2 power 5 teams or a top independent and or military school OOC as well.

I think Ohio State having 2 top 10 wins and another top 17 win is a very compelling argument. I'm not losing my mind because they didn't get in, they got in last year as a non conference champion, but that was with 3 top 10 wins plus another top 25 if I remember correctly. this years OSU team was not great. it was pretty good.

I'm more upset about 2015 OSU getting left out, that team was great, but didn't get the benefit of the doubt like this Alabama team. and I don't think this years Alabama team is great, but very good.

BuckeyeAvenger · « **Reply #426 on:** December 04, 2017, 10:15:46 AM »

Quote from: TyphonInc on December 04, 2017, 09:41:48 AM

Last year I was in the camp of PSU to the playoff, they won head to head with OSU, and the B1G Championship, the committee came back with "body of work" and could support since they had several common opponents; this year the same "body of work" is just a beauty pageant. Whoever got skipped has a legitimate complaint, and who got picked should feel fortunate.

I really hope that 'bama gets embarrassed this year, not because I'm against them, but I want to nip the non-conference champ in the playoff selection. I really want OSU to pound USC, not just because I'm a fan, but I want conference champs to be in the playoff, unless there is a clear cut better team, and I don't think anyone can really say clear cut 'bama is better than OSU.

I believe that Clemson will pound Alabama, since they actually deserve their number one ranking. Alabama got in on name recognition, the desire by ESPN to have a Clemson-Alabama rematch and past achievements (none of that is supposed to count). I hope that TV ratings on the West Coast and in The Midwest will predictably suffer.
I don’t like the precedent of two teams from one conference, for the first time. If it was based on something concrete, rather than subjective assumptions, Then I could accept the decision by the committee more easily. We have 5 power conferences with Championship games that produce Conference Champions. Leaving out one conference each year is unavoidable, leaving out two by choice, in order to favor an individual team or conference (non champion), based on scant evidence, seems inherently wrong.

JWilly86 · « **Reply #427 on:** December 04, 2017, 10:30:57 AM »

The P5 conference champions should be in the playoffs, period.

There aren't enough games to give any real or meaningful comparisons across conferences, there aren't enough data points to say that the top of the SEC is unarguably better than the top of the B10 or P12.

The group of 5 should have a seat at the table too, what is the point of a tournament and crowning a champion if half the sport is excluded before the season begins. If you don't give them a seat at the table the bring back 1AA, in reality it's what we've created.

I don't care if people want to argue for 6 teams or 8 or whatever parameters surround the games, the simplest point is that they should exist.

"Congrats on winning your conference and being one of the best teams in the country, but we've artificially limited the number of playoff spots and arbitrarily decided you don't get one" shouldn't be an acceptable answer.

Everyone involved in the process deserves better.

rolltidefan · « **Reply #428 on:** December 04, 2017, 10:37:37 AM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on December 04, 2017, 06:36:27 AM

Sorry, that's not going to fly here. This has nothing to do with OSU- hell, rank then 10th...nobody cares because they got creamed.

the conversation i was having was directly related to why osu didn't get in and bama did. so it therefore has everything to do with osu.

ALA2262 · « **Reply #429 on:** December 04, 2017, 11:07:01 AM »

Quote from: BuckeyeAvenger on December 04, 2017, 10:15:46 AM

I believe that Clemson will pound Alabama, since they actually deserve their number one ranking. Alabama got in on name recognition, the desire by ESPN to have a Clemson-Alabama rematch and past achievements (none of that is supposed to count). I hope that TV ratings on the West Coast and in The Midwest will predictably suffer.
I don’t like the precedent of two teams from one conference, for the first time. If it was based on something concrete, rather than subjective assumptions, Then I could accept the decision by the committee more easily. We have 5 power conferences with Championship games that produce Conference Champions. Leaving out one conference each year is unavoidable, leaving out two by choice, in order to favor an individual team or conference (non champion), based on scant evidence, seems inherently wrong.

Clemson and Alabama each lost one game. Clemson to 4-8 Syracuse and Bama to 10-3 Auburn. Therefore Clemson deserves their number one ranking and Bama got in on name recognition!?

TresselownsUM · « **Reply #430 on:** December 04, 2017, 11:13:37 AM »

Clemson and Alabama each lost one game. Clemson to 4-8 Syracuse and Bama to 10-3 Auburn. Therefore Clemson deserves their number one ranking and Bama got in on name recognition

if you're going by who ya beat, then yeah. Clemson beat 3 teams in the top 15 in September alone, won their conference title with a 38-3 drubbing of a top 10 team. Clemson also beat the team that beat you. so yeah, I'd say Clemson deserved the #1 spot.

Dabo pulls this one out, and I think there might be a new pecking order in top coaches in the country. not greatest of all time talk, but current top coach would be Dabo in my opinion.

ALA2262 · « **Reply #431 on:** December 04, 2017, 11:28:12 AM »

This is a list of losses by CFP teams, by point margin, to unranked teams during the season in which they were in the CFP.

2015 Michigan State - 1 point
2016 Clemson - 1 point
2016 Ohio State - 3 points
2017 Clemson - 3 points
2014 Oregon - 7 points
2015 Oklahoma - 7 points
2017 Oklahoma - 7 points
2014 Ohio State - 14 points

Did you really want to add

2017 Ohio State - 31 points

to this list?

JWilly86 · « **Reply #432 on:** December 04, 2017, 11:33:17 AM »

Quote from: ALA2262 on December 04, 2017, 11:28:12 AM

This is a list of losses by CFP teams, by point margin, to unranked teams during the season in which they were in the CFP.

2015 Michigan State - 1 point
2016 Clemson - 1 point
2016 Ohio State - 3 points
2017 Clemson - 3 points
2014 Oregon - 7 points
2015 Oklahoma - 7 points
2017 Oklahoma - 7 points
2014 Ohio State - 14 points

Did you really want to add

2017 Ohio State - 31 points

to this list?

I'd genuinely be interested to see top 25 wins w/win margin for each team in the CFP as well. Just if you have some time and nothing to do

Cincydawg · « **Reply #433 on:** December 04, 2017, 11:33:36 AM »

A simple rule for me would be to mandate that all P5 teams play ten P5 teams a year, perhaps liberally defining P5 at times.

Most B1G teams would not need to do anything.

It's fine to schedule an FSU, but when they are bad the game means little. Then three pastries OOC. A third of the season with no challenge. Then it happens much of your division is bad and you get to play Vandy and Tennessee from the East.

You end up with 3 games against somewhat competitive teams, maybe we can add A&M, and you lose one of them.

You are 3-1 in games you could plausibly have lost. Yay.

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