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Re: Playoff picture heading into CCG's
« Reply #56 on: November 29, 2017, 06:41:32 PM »
and- wildly inconsistent?  Oh my.  Some great games and some poor games..a little up and down perhaps, but far more consistent than most teams.
you don't play a full 12 game schedule, including the East Division in the Big where you beat great defense at MSU/UM/PSU , and end up with the results they have.
Being #1 in Offense, scoring, Rushing, First downs, pass efficiency, total yards, etc..   they are in the top 3-10 in the nation in all of those categories except one. In fact- it would be hard to argue that they are not the most balanced, high output offense in the nation. Nobody I can find comes close.


-6 yards in the first quarter vs UM, a horrible first half vs IU, total disaster at Iowa, Oklahoma pretty much a no show (and their defense is not good) Mike Weber 1 carry the entire first half vs UM, Dobbins doesn't touch the rock in the late 3rd to 4th quarters vs OU. 17 points in the first half vs Army.

Now we did get really fat stats against ILL, Nebraska, UNLV, Rutgers, Maryland and Nebraska. but who cares, we're supposed to, none of those teams have a defense. The MSU game is the 1 game were we blew the doors off a good defense. and why did we do that? for 1, we didn't run near as much read option because of the total outrage of not getting the RBs the ball against Iowa.

I think the problem with this offense is they still don't know what they want to be. All offseason they wanted to be a team that just wanted to throw it deep, work the deep ball. then it didn't work, we better run it. then out of necessity we did throw well against Penn St and fell in love with the pass game again. then that blew up against Iowa so back to the RBs vs MSU.

so season long we probably do look fairly balanced, but I would argue game to game it's fluctuated quite a bit.
I would agree with the identity thing and the fluctuations you speak of.
On the other hand, I look at Indiana, a conference road game, (who opens with a conference road game) and our WRs were brand new, facing a healthy, extremely experienced set of 4 DBs for Indiana.
Same on offense....our really inexperienced DBs versus a great WR Corp led by Cobbs, a QB that had his most accurate night of the year, probably because they had WEEKs to prepare ( and he hit a number of throws where the WR was actually well covered.
And even with this,when crunch time came, OSU adjusted and blew them out.
Do you remember the score of the Oklahoma game mid third quarter? Teams were tied.
Then the inexperienced LBs  at least Worley and Booker)and DBs could not handle the RPOs and run fakes.  Again, the OSU passing game was not clicking. Barrett had little to throw to as the Sooners got ahead and just dropped into a zone, after OSU had spent nearly all of fall camp preparing their WRs for man beaters.  Oklahoma was just better.  And they have proven to be one of the best.

Oklahoma was the better team, period.
But blaming Barrett is misguided.  
Yes, the pick six to start Iowa was Horrible.  To the Hawkeyes coaching credit, they absolutely baited him into it based on what OSU did to PennState.
But let's not forget, Barret made some great throws and runs to get OSU back to tied at 17 large in the first half. But OSU came in flat, and Bosa's ejection took the air out.
The entire off season for OSU was pointed at Penn State.  They won that game in exhausting and emotional fashion, thanks to Barrett. IOwa meantime. Had one blackout game planned all year. They were fired up and focused as was their crowd. They are famous for elevating their game at home when they play highly ranked teams. This was the game they had circled on the schedule.  Road games are tough enough, but after a huge emotional win, Buckeyes ran into a buzz saw.   I saw it coming, but not to that degree. Iowa broke all kinds of tendencies on offense, and the Buckey coaches were unprepared.  That's On Meyer, a guy known to be one of the best at having his team prepared emotionally and scheme wise.   Not that day. But if they played again, who would you bet on with a gun to your head?  You know who.  Unfortunately that's not how it works.

Now, let's look at the wins, the endless list of wins that Barrett led, and in so many cases, bailed out OSU.  Who has done better?  Are they 4-0 with him as a starter against UM in spite of him, or at least partly because of him?

You want to talk about having lesser stats against better teams?  Well of course!!  That's how it works for everyone. The idea is, can they be stopped completely?

Maybe, but hard to do. Much harder than teams that don't have a highly competent, true dual threat QB.  
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Re: Playoff picture heading into CCG's
« Reply #57 on: November 29, 2017, 06:51:05 PM »
Reading comprehension man. Sentence structure and clear content man
The original statement that you guys are making is that Haskins gives OSU a better chance to win RIGHT now.  That's the incredibly ridiculous statement your making.
Not only is that stupid, yes stupid, but what I am saying that no coach would agree with that.I'd imagine both Sweeney & Saban last year after JT put up 0 pts in the play off.With his record setting 3 & outs and all
The TD to Marcus Baugh almost never happened, but thanks to Barrett knowing the offense so well, he stopped Meyer from calling a TO just before and got his 2 confused WRs into position, snapped the ball, went quickly through his reads and saw option, a slant on right, covered, then went to Baugh for TD.  That whole sequence is on Eleven Warriors, as is the conversation with Meyer where he openly praises Haskins, but says the had to substantially simplify the offense for Haskins.That's rich,so Barrett is cracking code at Blechley Park while still throwing to a wide open linebacker after 5 years - impressive.Did Urbs mention Haskins coming in with a 6 pt deficit and leaving with with a 11 pt margin of victiory.Whew! simple works for me

It's the stuff most fans don't see.  Did you see that?  I certainly did..noticed it live.
Did you see the three crucial zone reads Haskins ran, where he missed the obvious read which was the QB run, and our RB got stuffed for no gain or a loss?  I did.

Ask the informed Badger fans,The ones that may share your narrative

I am not saying Haskins won't be really good...he shows potential for sure. But those who anoint him after a few plays, and ignore the BIG TENS MOST PROFICIENT TD MAKER in HISTORY, well too stupid to even take seriously.

Every opposing coach would tell you that
.Beautiful that's some category 5 hooey right there.Didn't know you were so well connected in coaching circles in CFB.For every Penn St game there is a Sooner/Hawkeye display.His Proficiency disappears when the competition stiffens.Don Brown & Dabo Sweeney (last year) produced the Blue Print.I didn't call you stoopid or say JT sux.Haskins or Burrow(before injury) should have been platooned like he did with the Gators.JT has his spots simply not all of them.As the song goes "Im frightened by those that don't see it."GO BUCKEYES! BTW - great posts T.O.M.
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Re: Playoff picture heading into CCG's
« Reply #58 on: November 29, 2017, 07:12:25 PM »
 He's in that very next level below though- and how in the world could anyone complain about having a QB like that? I'd fricken KILL for a QB like that. Could always be worse Buckeye fans. Have ya seen John O'Korn?
The fanbase would like to see some semblance of a consistent downfield passing attack.Haven't had that since Cardale during the 2014 run.Mixing in Haskins/Burrow in situations would keep defenses honest.JT hasn't developed that against a premier defensive unit.Dare him to throw long while taking away the short stuff - he didn't prove them wrong on the biggest stage 
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Re: Playoff picture heading into CCG's
« Reply #59 on: November 29, 2017, 07:22:05 PM »
careful what you ask for...

concentrate too much on the downfield pass and lose your running identity

that leads to multiple losses in conference

ask Mike Riley
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Re: Playoff picture heading into CCG's
« Reply #60 on: November 29, 2017, 07:27:33 PM »
No FF Bucks have two very capable RB's and a good albeit banged up O-Line.QB needs the deep game to back up and spread out a defense
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Re: Playoff picture heading into CCG's
« Reply #61 on: November 29, 2017, 07:33:17 PM »
I am not saying Haskins won't be really good...he shows potential for sure. But those who anoint him after a few plays, and ignore the BIG TENS MOST PROFICIENT TD MAKER in HISTORY, well too stupid to even take seriously.

Every opposing coach would tell you that
.Beautiful that's some category 5 hooey right there.Didn't know you were so well connected in coaching circles in CFB.For every Penn St game there is a Sooner/Hawkeye display.His Proficiency disappears when the competition stiffens.Don Brown & Dabo Sweeney (last year) produced the Blue Print.I didn't call you stoopid or say JT sux.Haskins or Burrow(before injury) should have been platooned like he did with the Gators.JT has his spots simply not all of them.As the song goes "Im frightened by those that don't see it."GO BUCKEYES! BTW - great posts T.O.M.
I could find people that know more about football on Hineygate than you do.  Seriously, do you think before you post?  For every Penn State, there is an Oklahoma?  Did you really just say that? So the record is .500.
I imagine Dabo and Nick were hoping OSU wouldn't get another coordinator like Hermann, so they wouldn't have to deal with a JT.
But seriously- hard to have a conversation with someone who truly does not understand basic football concepts...just sits there and whines about a coach that's won 70 games in 6 seasons, and a QB that other teams would KILL to have, and who owns more Big Ten records than anyone who ever played the position.  Lol...but I am the one full of Huey!
Instead of reading your posts whining about one of the nation's best coaches, best offenses, and best QBs, I will just ignore, since again you don't grasp play calling or Xs and Os.  If I want to read that I will just go to Hineygate.
Until next year when you start whining about why OSU is nowhere near as productive or successful scoring or moving the ball.  Then I will enjoy your posts again.

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« Reply #62 on: November 29, 2017, 09:10:00 PM »
More often than not JT has laid an egg on the Big Stage(sort of like you in this thread) surrounded by NFL talent.What does Tom Herman have to do with JT's chronic 3 & outs and putting up no points and gassing our defense vs Clemson.He's complicated right?You said so your self,so why can't he remember what Herman taught him?Maybe you forget receivers leaning forward,reaching back or stopping to snag a fluttering toss.Is that on Herman too?Is stretching the field and spreading a defense a football concept?I understand JT doesn't do that on a stout defense.Buckeye Rob is waiting for you over at Hiney - you both can wear the goggles and toss back the kool aid -good times.Ive been to Clemson/Bama/Sooner boards,believe me they don't share your cosmopolitan view of the Record Setter.Ohio St will miss the excellent departing O & D Linemen.Not the perennial dink & dunk numbers hoarder.Be nice if Haskins/Burrow were given the long leash the Pet Project was afforded

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« Reply #63 on: November 29, 2017, 09:26:06 PM »
The fanbase would like to see some semblance of a consistent downfield passing attack.Haven't had that since Cardale during the 2014 run.Mixing in Haskins/Burrow in situations would keep defenses honest.JT hasn't developed that against a premier defensive unit.Dare him to throw long while taking away the short stuff - he didn't prove them wrong on the biggest stage
Look the Cardale thing was a special moment in time. He came in for 3 games out of nowhere, there was no tape on him for opposing defenses to scout or game plan him and he had the future NFL receivers to use that giant arm to go deep to in Thomas and the best deep threat in college football that season in Smith.

What happened the next season when he was named the starter and all the defensive co-ordinators had tape on him to game plan him? He kinda struggled, the offense sputtered out and he got benched. For.....JT!!

QB isn't RB or WR. You can't use them situationally. Gives up tendencies, tips your hand, mess up rythm. Only 1 QB can play.
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« Reply #64 on: November 29, 2017, 09:45:58 PM »
Why can't UFM rotate them like he did in Gainesville and won an MNC?Perhaps he was young and hungry then rather than predictable.That's all I've I alluded to before Zues started tossing edicts down from Mt Olympus suggesting I had no grasp of football concepts.You yourself was pissed when the M LB dropped JT's gift in the red zone.Have to change things up and go with what works.JT has his upside certainly Haskins does too Dwayne stepped into the fray down 6 and left up 11.On the road vs a Don Brown defense late in the season.If that doesn't display moxie and talent into crunch time then I don't know what does.I'm told to pipe down and sit in the corner when this is pointed out WTF
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Re: Playoff picture heading into CCG's
« Reply #65 on: November 29, 2017, 10:10:06 PM »
More often than not JT has laid an egg on the Big Stage(sort of like you in this thread) surrounded by NFL talent.What does Tom Herman have to do with JT's chronic 3 & outs and putting up no points and gassing our defense vs Clemson.He's complicated right?You said so your self,so why can't he remember what Herman taught him?Maybe you forget receivers leaning forward,reaching back or stopping to snag a fluttering toss.Is that on Herman too?Is stretching the field and spreading a defense a football concept?I understand JT doesn't do that on a stout defense.Buckeye Rob is waiting for you over at Hiney - you both can wear the goggles and toss back the kool aid -good times.Ive been to Clemson/Bama/Sooner boards,believe me they don't share your cosmopolitan view of the Record Setter.Ohio St will miss the excellent departing O & D Linemen.Not the perennial dink & dunk numbers hoarder.Be nice if Haskins/Burrow were given the long leash the Pet Project was afforded


Your narrative, less facts as usual, leaves me laughing.  
give it up Nubbz, every other school poster in this topic has told you how wrong you are.
Comes up short on the big stage?  Clueless. MIchigan wins, MSU wins, Oklahoma win Penn State win...not big stage? The list goes on.  You also wrongly attribute Clemson to Barrett.  Anyone with a brain who witnessed that and other similar games last season- including Meyer, has openly admitted the offensive play design, play selection, and lack of protection, as well as no deep threat, were the causes.  But that doesn't fit your Monday morning QB narrative, mostly because you don't understand it.  
Talk about kook aid.   
Let's see how this plays out when Barrett is gone.  Let's see if they can be second in the country in points per game, number 4 in total offense.  Oh wait...facts again.  Sorry, your debating with stupid narratives. " comes up short on big stage more often than not"
Buy a book about modern football dynamics, so you can understand what's actually going on, then come back with some facts.  
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Re: Playoff picture heading into CCG's
« Reply #66 on: November 29, 2017, 10:25:43 PM »
As they prepare to play the number one defense in the nation, who plays a completely different alignment than they are used to, what are your expectations for Barrett, and the offensive game plan in general?  What does the guy have to do to get you to think he is a baller?
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« Reply #67 on: November 29, 2017, 11:45:57 PM »
Your narrative, less facts as usual, leaves me laughing.  
give it up Nubbz, every other school poster in this topic has told you how wrong you are.
Comes up short on the big stage?  Clueless. MIchigan wins, MSU wins, Oklahoma win Penn State win...not big stage? The list goes on.  You also wrongly attribute Clemson to Barrett.  Anyone with a brain who witnessed that and other similar games last season- including Meyer, has openly admitted the offensive play design, play selection, and lack of protection, as well as no deep threat, were the causes.  But that doesn't fit your Monday morning QB narrative, mostly because you don't understand it.  
Talk about kook aid.  
Let's see how this plays out when Barrett is gone.  Let's see if they can be second in the country in points per game, number 4 in total offense.  Oh wait...facts again.  Sorry, your debating with stupid narratives. " comes up short on big stage more often than not"
Buy a book about modern football dynamics, so you can understand what's actually going on, then come back with some facts.  

Oh not only do coaches agree with you the posters also.You'll twist anything to fit your take.T.O.M. certainly pointed out your flawed logic(BS really).JT's Clemson performance was so smashing he had 9 months off & repeated it for the Sooners this season.But you have to be as smart as JT to understand it.As our esteemed colleague T.O.M.pointed out JT set up things rather nicely in Iowa City.So ya he concurred with you in your sphere of whack Oh and the dumbed down Haskins pulled the Michigan game out while record setter was probably in the locker taking a Physics Test.Good to see record setter show up vs PSU great game.You'd sell a snow cone to an Eskimo.JT meh the linemen leaving will be the holes to fill.Think he'll follow his former teammates to the Sunday League.Guess we know who propped who up
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« Reply #68 on: November 30, 2017, 06:46:54 AM »
Oh not only do coaches agree with you the posters also.You'll twist anything to fit your take.T.O.M. certainly pointed out your flawed logic(BS really).JT's Clemson performance was so smashing he had 9 months off & repeated it for the Sooners this season.But you have to be as smart as JT to understand it.As our esteemed colleague T.O.M.pointed out JT set up things rather nicely in Iowa City.So ya he concurred with you in your sphere of whack Oh and the dumbed down Haskins pulled the Michigan game out while record setter was probably in the locker taking a Physics Test.Good to see record setter show up vs PSU great game.You'd sell a snow cone to an Eskimo.JT meh the linemen leaving will be the holes to fill.Think he'll follow his former teammates to the Sunday League.Guess we know who propped who up
As I figured. Run from your original whacked out theory, that OSU has a better chance to win right now with Haskins.  You can't defend it so you change the topic completely.
Play on Sunday?  What does that have to do with your original theory...nice attempt at diversion.
And you keep going back to the last game.   Ok I will play along...Barrett is 4-0 against Michigan because of Haskins. 
And you never answered the question I posed; what do you expect of the QB position Saturday, facing the nation's #1 defense, who runs a defensive package/ alignment the Buckeyes rarely see?  If Barrett finds a way to lead to a win, but doesn't throw for 300 yards, does the Big Ten's all conference (Again) QB still suck in your view? And you prove Urban Meyer wrong- and you do know more than him?
I already know the answer to the other side...if Wisconsin wins because they are better, regardless of the circumstances, you will blame JT.
I know it's a tough question for you because it involves understanding the 3-4 the Badgers run, and you have no clue how that works and what kinds of unique challenges that presents.  You will just go back to your name calling, personal insults, and narrative- that despite mountains of statistical data and facts, mountains of accolades from other coaches and knowledgable sports writers, JT sucks, and OHIO state should be undefeated always, and that Haskins would get them there.  Priceless.  
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Re: Playoff picture heading into CCG's
« Reply #69 on: November 30, 2017, 07:10:12 AM »
Yeah...its just my " narrative".   Lol

From landgrantholyland.com. 

If Haskins starts, the crux of this game will be whether or not he can get up to speed in the read-option quickly. He ultimately did enough with his arm and his legs to help carry the Buckeyes to victory last weekend, but on four or five occasions, he made the wrong read at the mesh point and either got the RB blown up in the backfield or was brought down for no gain himself. Against a Badger defense that's been even better than Michigan's has, that can't happen if the Buckeyes want to win this game.

We can be reasonably optimistic about what Haskins can do in the passing game, though. He went 6-of-7 last week, showing off what we've all been hearing for a long time: he's a tremendous arm talent. Size-wise, he's just about the mid-point of J.T. Barrett and Cardale Jones; he might also be the mid-point of their running and passing talents.

There are very few weaknesses on Wisconsin's defense, and no real silver lining to point to—they're equally ungenerous to the pass and the run, and flat out don't get scored on. The "ain't played nobody Pawwwwl" critique only holds if you're able to square the circle of Ohio State struggling against Michigan and losing to Iowa, both of whom Wisconsin dispatched in convincing fashion.
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