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Re: Playoff picture heading into CCG's
« Reply #42 on: November 28, 2017, 10:28:58 PM »
Urban is bat shit crazy if he thinks he is going to win out with JTB under center.It was on display last Saturday
So wrong, and so obvious.   I actually feel sorry for you.   Barrett is his only chance.
They would have to dumb down the offense so much for Haskins.  Just like he had to agains t UM.  
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« Reply #43 on: November 28, 2017, 10:57:45 PM »
If JT is so damn smart how come he keeps throwing into seething double coverage.Barrett is a case study in the Mike Tyson quote "everybody has a plan until they are punched in the mouth".Those that don't remember the past are condemned to repeat it.Didn't see that beautiful pick that he threw that was dropped?Evidently they have to dumb the offense down even more for a 5th yr senior.I actually feel sorry if you don't see the disparity of talent on display.He has had NFL talent surrounding him for 4 seasons and still won't get over the hump.
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Re: Playoff picture heading into CCG's
« Reply #44 on: November 28, 2017, 11:11:01 PM »
If JT is so damn smart how come he keeps throwing into seething double coverage.Barrett is a case study in the Mike Tyson quote "everybody has a plan until they are punched in the mouth".Those that don't remember the past are condemned to repeat it.Didn't see that beautiful pick that he threw that was dropped?Evidently they have to dumb the offense down even more for a 5th yr senior.I actually feel sorry if you don't see the disparity of talent on display.He has had NFL talent surrounding him for 4 seasons and still won't get over the hump.
If he keeps throwing into double coverage, how does he have the highest QB rating in the conference? How does he have 7 more TDs than the second place QB? How does he have the highest completion % and by far bes t TD-interception ratio? How did Ohio State beat 3 of the 4 best defenses in the conference? How did the end up with the best offense in every measure, from total yards to points to first downs to offensive efficiency, and, with the best balance of running and passing in the league?
How did they make it to the  championship game? 
Should I take your view, or the viewpoint of the guy responsible to make this decision and is at practice every day, AND IS ON PACE to be the winningest CFB coach that ever coached.
If you could find one coach from the top 25 that would not laugh at the suggestion that there is another QB on their roster, OR IN THE LEAGUE that gives them a better chance to win, it would be because he was drunk.  
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« Reply #45 on: November 28, 2017, 11:26:32 PM »
31-0 and more to come.When most of your passes are 15 yds and in vs mostly over matched opponents hey bravo.Clemson/Oklahoma/Iowa say hello,again there are lies,damn lies and statistics.It's the jimmy's and the Joe's not the X's & the O's.Urban is a great recruiter but trotting out a pedestrian arm with a bad wheel defies logic.JT's a great guy but he has looked good because of the talent around him.Haskins is definitely a step up.This defense may carry the day vs UW,maybe.After that well see last year.Do you seriously think JT won the UM game last year?He crapped the bed ,Wilton Speight and the defense won that game.Two pathetic(of the 4)picks vs IA shouldn't have been thrown,specially from a 5th yr senior.Take away the short stuff and we have egg on our face against a quality opponent
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Re: Playoff picture heading into CCG's
« Reply #46 on: November 28, 2017, 11:48:55 PM »
 
Should I take your view, or the viewpoint of the guy responsible to make this decision and is at practice every day, AND IS ON PACE to be the winningest CFB coach that ever coached.
If you could find one coach from the top 25 that would not laugh at the suggestion that there is another QB on their roster, OR IN THE LEAGUE that gives them a better chance to win, it would be because he was drunk.  
Let me get this straight are you stating that the top 25 coaches would select JT Barrett over any other QB?I'm mean you are saying that gives them a better chance to win on their roster or in the League.Because if so you'll see at least 4 of them in the play offs
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Re: Playoff picture heading into CCG's
« Reply #47 on: November 29, 2017, 06:10:56 AM »
31-0 and more to come.When most of your passes are 15 yds and in vs mostly over matched opponents hey bravo.Clemson/Oklahoma/Iowa say hello,again there are lies,damn lies and statistics.It's the jimmy's and the Joe's not the X's & the O's.Urban is a great recruiter but trotting out a pedestrian arm with a bad wheel defies logic.JT's a great guy but he has looked good because of the talent around him.Haskins is definitely a step up.This defense may carry the day vs UW,maybe.After that well see last year.Do you seriously think JT won the UM game last year?He crapped the bed ,Wilton Speight and the defense won that game.Two pathetic(of the 4)picks vs IA shouldn't have been thrown,specially from a 5th yr senior.Take away the short stuff and we have egg on our face against a quality opponent
I find it humorous that you think JT was the reason we let Iowa score 55. Typical uninformed Monday morning QB.   And Oklahoma, where we were breaking in all new WRs, new LBs at their positions, and new defensive backfield. A game which was tied up in mid Q3, and then our back seven could not stop the tight end or fullback on RPOs..and Clemson, where we had Beck calling plays, and like Michigan and MSU before them, Clemson saw no WR or passing scheme they were afraid of, so they all sold out on the run.
Yes, the ONLY reason they were able to eventually put together game winning drives ( remember, they had to do it twice due to missed chip shot FG) last year versus Michigan, was his ability to run.  It sure as hell wasn't the play calling.

15 yards?  Again check your facts. Go to BTN and see what his average yards per completion are versus rest of league- prepare to eat more crow.
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Re: Playoff picture heading into CCG's
« Reply #48 on: November 29, 2017, 06:37:13 AM »
Let me get this straight are you stating that the top 25 coaches would select JT Barrett over any other QB?I'm mean you are saying that gives them a better chance to win on their roster or in the League.Because if so you'll see at least 4 of them in the play offs
Reading comprehension man.  
The original statement that you guys are making is that Haskins gives OSU a better chance to win RIGHT now.  That's the incredibly ridiculous statement your making.
Not only is that stupid, yes stupid, but what I am saying that no coach would agree with that, or even pull a guy from their offense to put on OSUs team, right now, and think they could run that offense.
The TD to Marcus Baugh almost never happened, but thanks to Barrett knowing the offense so well, he stopped Meyer from calling a TO just before and got his 2 confused WRs into position, snapped the ball, went quickly through his reads and saw option, a slant on right, covered, then went to Baugh for TD.  That whole sequence is on Eleven Warriors, as is the conversation with Meyer where he openly praises Haskins, but says the had to substantially simplify the offense for Haskins.

It's the stuff most fans don't see.  Did you see that?  I certainly did..noticed it live.
Did you see the three crucial zone reads Haskins ran, where he missed the obvious read which was the QB run, and our RB got stuffed for no gain or a loss?  I did.

I am not saying Haskins won't be really good...he shows potential for sure. But those who anoint him after a few plays, and ignore the BIG TENS MOST PROFICIENT TD MAKER in HISTORY, well too stupid to even take seriously.

Every opposing coach would tell you that.

Ask the informed Badger fans, the ones who understand the schemes and Xs and Os, they would be happy if Barrett couldn't go.  That makes their defensive job so much easier.....they just pull out their Michigan tape, stuff the run, hassle the QB and never have to be back on their heels because they have no fear of the QB or zone read.
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« Reply #49 on: November 29, 2017, 01:14:26 PM »
Also- the Urban calling JT runs "thing."    You do realize that 95% of those are zone reads, where the other team has chosen to defend the RB right? And yes- that's the kind of offense that Urban runs- the one listed above with all of those national leading stats.  A big part of that is because they make the defense account for the QB-

well, if you believe other defensive coordinators, analysts etc then yes, that's exactly what urban is doing. if the opposing defense is saying, we are going to take your running backs out everytime you run the read option, then essentially you are just calling QB draws all game long. now technically JT has to make the decision, but isn't it odd that the decision is he has to keep it? like every freaking play? is every D coordinator in the nation stupid? or are do they realize that it's way better having Barrett run it 20 times vs letting Dobbins or Weber run it 20 times? that my friend is Urban's flaw. he can't find a way to give it to his RBs because he's too stubborn to just run a straight running play to his most talented runners

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« Reply #50 on: November 29, 2017, 01:19:46 PM »
So wrong, and so obvious.   I actually feel sorry for you.   Barrett is his only chance.
They would have to dumb down the offense so much for Haskins.  Just like he had to agains t UM.  


first off, I want JT to start.

But I don't think they'd have to dumb down the offense if he was hurt. Haskins has been there for 2 years, they might have to run things better suited to his skills, but I don't think all of a sudden they'd be down to running 5 plays.

Would you say they dumbed down the playbook when Cardale Jones came in with only 7 days prep vs Wisconsin?

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« Reply #51 on: November 29, 2017, 01:25:29 PM »
I find it humorous that you think JT was the reason we let Iowa score 55.

obviously not, but the 14 he gave them in the first half were absolutely crushing. and those 14 points were totally on JT, I'm referencing the opening pick and the pick with about 90 seconds left in the half. It gave Iowa momentum that we couldn't recover from. Take away the 2 really bad picks in the 1st half, we're at worst tied, and who knows, maybe even leading at the break and it's a completely different ball game.

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« Reply #52 on: November 29, 2017, 01:36:36 PM »
and- wildly inconsistent?  Oh my.  Some great games and some poor games..a little up and down perhaps, but far more consistent than most teams.
you don't play a full 12 game schedule, including the East Division in the Big where you beat great defense at MSU/UM/PSU , and end up with the results they have.
Being #1 in Offense, scoring, Rushing, First downs, pass efficiency, total yards, etc..   they are in the top 3-10 in the nation in all of those categories except one. In fact- it would be hard to argue that they are not the most balanced, high output offense in the nation. Nobody I can find comes close.


-6 yards in the first quarter vs UM, a horrible first half vs IU, total disaster at Iowa, Oklahoma pretty much a no show (and their defense is not good) Mike Weber 1 carry the entire first half vs UM, Dobbins doesn't touch the rock in the late 3rd to 4th quarters vs OU. 17 points in the first half vs Army.

Now we did get really fat stats against ILL, Nebraska, UNLV, Rutgers, Maryland and Nebraska. but who cares, we're supposed to, none of those teams have a defense. The MSU game is the 1 game were we blew the doors off a good defense. and why did we do that? for 1, we didn't run near as much read option because of the total outrage of not getting the RBs the ball against Iowa.

I think the problem with this offense is they still don't know what they want to be. All offseason they wanted to be a team that just wanted to throw it deep, work the deep ball. then it didn't work, we better run it. then out of necessity we did throw well against Penn St and fell in love with the pass game again. then that blew up against Iowa so back to the RBs vs MSU.

so season long we probably do look fairly balanced, but I would argue game to game it's fluctuated quite a bit.

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Re: Playoff picture heading into CCG's
« Reply #53 on: November 29, 2017, 06:03:44 PM »
So wrong, and so obvious.   I actually feel sorry for you.   Barrett is his only chance.
They would have to dumb down the offense so much for Haskins.  Just like he had to agains t UM.  


first off, I want JT to start.

But I don't think they'd have to dumb down the offense if he was hurt. Haskins has been there for 2 years, they might have to run things better suited to his skills, but I don't think all of a sudden they'd be down to running 5 plays.

Would you say they dumbed down the playbook when Cardale Jones came in with only 7 days prep vs Wisconsin?
They changed it completely.   To suit 4things: Cardales inexperience, Cardales arm, Ezekiel Elliot, Devon Smith.  And yes, it was simplified, especially the first full game against Wisconsin. As urban said after, " notice not one throw between the hashes- that's how we took risk out".  Now with more time to prepare, against Bama and Oregon, there were a few more throws over the middle, but only a few.
And yes, Urban just said in his post game pressed, they simplified the offense for Haskins after he came in.  
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Re: Playoff picture heading into CCG's
« Reply #54 on: November 29, 2017, 06:13:42 PM »
Also- the Urban calling JT runs "thing."    You do realize that 95% of those are zone reads, where the other team has chosen to defend the RB right? And yes- that's the kind of offense that Urban runs- the one listed above with all of those national leading stats.  A big part of that is because they make the defense account for the QB-

well, if you believe other defensive coordinators, analysts etc then yes, that's exactly what urban is doing. if the opposing defense is saying, we are going to take your running backs out everytime you run the read option, then essentially you are just calling QB draws all game long. now technically JT has to make the decision, but isn't it odd that the decision is he has to keep it? like every freaking play? is every D coordinator in the nation stupid? or are do they realize that it's way better having Barrett run it 20 times vs letting Dobbins or Weber run it 20 times? that my friend is Urban's flaw. he can't find a way to give it to his RBs because he's too stubborn to just run a straight running play to his most talented runners
Is every defensive coordinator in the country stupid?   
No- maybe it's just the ones that have allowed OSU to get 550 yards and 43 points per game, and have the average passing yards and rushing yards per game both be top ten, and nearly 50/50 balance.
Knowing what OSU and doing and being able to stop it completely are two different things.
MIchigan and Clemson did a good job of it last year, but as everyone pointed out, due to horrible pass blocking, horrible play design and play selection, Ohio State got to a point last year where it was super easy to stop OSUs pathetic passing game.  
That's why Wilson was brought in.  And that's why JT is the conferences leading passer, and in the top 7-8 in the nation in passing efficiency.
Urban 'so offense is based on spreading you out, using the QB as a run threat, and making you pick your poison- leading to a power running game.  
Is it perfect, well hell no. But as I heard spurrier say today- it is incredibly effective and hard to stop completely.    It is very hard to make OSU one dimensional.   
Barrett is the main reason.
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Re: Playoff picture heading into CCG's
« Reply #55 on: November 29, 2017, 06:26:20 PM »
Lol @ the JT hate. He's really good guys.

Haskins looked great, but it was for a couple series and a couple throws. I wouldn't be ready to anoint him over JT just yet. You guys clamoring for Haskins do know he only threw 7 passes that entire game, right? Haskins wasn't asked to do a whole lot. Not nearly as much as JT is. They definitely dumbed things down for Haskins. JT's decision making is superb. Might not have Haskins arm or size, but he's a HELL of a QB.

JT also dealt with a Michigan defense that was mixing things up with different looks. Don Brown was running way more zone and disguising things early on. Soon as Haskins came in Brown basically reverted to his base defense and straight man to man coverage. Was pretty much pitch and catch for Haskins. JT didn't get as many easy looks like that. Brown was really mixing things up on him that 1st half.

JT isn't Baker Mayfield or Deshaun Watson or Tim Tebow or Vince Young. So if that's your problem with him- well seems like a pretty dumb one to have because very few are. He's in that very next level below though- and how in the world could anyone complain about having a QB like that? I'd fricken KILL for a QB like that. Could always be worse Buckeye fans. Have ya seen John O'Korn?

 

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