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ELA · « **Reply #70 on:** November 30, 2017, 09:56:27 AM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on November 30, 2017, 07:10:12 AM

The "ain't played nobody Pawwwwl" critique only holds if you're able to square the circle of Ohio State struggling against Michigan and losing to Iowa, both of whom Wisconsin dispatched in convincing fashion.

Iowa, yes. Michigan, the games were almost identical. Pretty even for 3ish quarters, with UM holding a 2nd half lead in both, then UW/OSU opened up a two score margin in the fourth. UW's win was probably slightly more convincing, but it was also at home, which sort of evens out.

Brutus Buckeye · « **Reply #71 on:** November 30, 2017, 09:58:42 AM »

The Badgers look absolutely unstoppable, in their season highlights.

TresselownsUM · « **Reply #72 on:** November 30, 2017, 12:34:50 PM »

well, I wasn't trying to morph this into a JT sucks thing, I'll reiterate, I like JT, always have. he's had a few clunkers but most people do. but i'll never forget games like MSU 2014 and PSU this year.

FYI I heard barrett had surgery this week? maybe it's something minor like draining fluid or something, but that makes me nervous.

my issue is how we run the offense. and I know I keep getting the stats thrown at me, 550 yards of offense, 4th in points etc, how can you complain? look, it's more than good enough to compete and win the BIG 10 every year. I can't argue against that. But is it good enough to win a national championship? (yes, I don't have dementia, I realize we won a natty, but the last few years we haven't played near as well against ELITE competition offensively)

I'm not complaining per say that it doesn't work, but it's clear, it doesn't always work, and I think it's got as much to do with the coaches as the personnel.

how many times at a press conference have you heard Urban Meyer say "that's not enough carries/touches" for Carlos Hyde, Zeke Elliot, JK Dobbins, M Weber? I've heard it a great number of times.

How many times have you heard Urban Meyer say "we don't like to run our quarterback that much" when talking about JT Barrett as well as Braxton Miller after they get 15-20 carries, typically more carries than our RB. He's said this in pressers more often than I can count.

When does this typically get fixed? the game right after a loss. Prime example is Michigan when Zeke got roughly 30 carries after losing to MSU, or this year when Dobbins/Weber got a ton of carries against MSU after losing to Iowa. but then we slowly start trending away from getting it to our backs.

Now is Urban giving us a load of crap, does he not really believe what he says in press conferences? If he does believe it, then why is he, and offensive genius unable to find more carries for his RBs?

and I'm sure I'll get hit with "you have no idea how the read option works." that's fine, believe that if you want. but I will reiterate, defensive coordinators want our QBs running the ball, they don't want our RBs getting 30 carries. and if Urban can't figure out how to do that more consistently, then his offensive read option play calling whatever you want to call it has a systemic flaw that he doesn't know how to fix. just my 2 cents.

I have fewer complaints about the actual pass game, other than I think we run too much zero backfield pass plays. typically I think the passing game issues are more execution issues.

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #73 on:** November 30, 2017, 01:25:11 PM »

Quote from: TresselownsUM on November 30, 2017, 12:34:50 PM

well, I wasn't trying to morph this into a JT sucks thing, I'll reiterate, I like JT, always have. he's had a few clunkers but most people do. but i'll never forget games like MSU 2014 and PSU this year.

FYI I heard barrett had surgery this week? maybe it's something minor like draining fluid or something, but that makes me nervous.

my issue is how we run the offense. and I know I keep getting the stats thrown at me, 550 yards of offense, 4th in points etc, how can you complain? look, it's more than good enough to compete and win the BIG 10 every year. I can't argue against that. But is it good enough to win a national championship? (yes, I don't have dementia, I realize we won a natty, but the last few years we haven't played near as well against ELITE competition offensively)

I'm not complaining per say that it doesn't work, but it's clear, it doesn't always work, and I think it's got as much to do with the coaches as the personnel.

how many times at a press conference have you heard Urban Meyer say "that's not enough carries/touches" for Carlos Hyde, Zeke Elliot, JK Dobbins, M Weber? I've heard it a great number of times.

How many times have you heard Urban Meyer say "we don't like to run our quarterback that much" when talking about JT Barrett as well as Braxton Miller after they get 15-20 carries, typically more carries than our RB. He's said this in pressers more often than I can count.

When does this typically get fixed? the game right after a loss. Prime example is Michigan when Zeke got roughly 30 carries after losing to MSU, or this year when Dobbins/Weber got a ton of carries against MSU after losing to Iowa. but then we slowly start trending away from getting it to our backs.

Now is Urban giving us a load of crap, does he not really believe what he says in press conferences? If he does believe it, then why is he, and offensive genius unable to find more carries for his RBs?

and I'm sure I'll get hit with "you have no idea how the read option works." that's fine, believe that if you want. but I will reiterate, defensive coordinators want our QBs running the ball, they don't want our RBs getting 30 carries. and if Urban can't figure out how to do that more consistently, then his offensive read option play calling whatever you want to call it has a systemic flaw that he doesn't know how to fix. just my 2 cents.

I have fewer complaints about the actual pass game, other than I think we run too much zero backfield pass plays. typically I think the passing game issues are more execution issues.

Great post. Could not disagree with one word. I sat there cussing at the tv last Saturday as the buckeyes only had 7 pure handoffs to RBs, in the first half-and it was working.
But my cussing was directed at the coaching staff, not the QB. As good as the offense has been statistically- they flutter when they forget the pure run game. Hell- they abandoned it right out of the gate against Clemson last year- I think they only had 5 all game.
But when I read that the team has a better chance to win Saturday with a rookie over the guy who just became The first ever to win three quarterback of the year awards, and who led the league in touchdowns thrown for total touchdowns and produced 4000 yards of offense between the two, and who's been playing on a bum knee all year - I have to call that out as what it is-ridiculous.

Oh/ and he can't win big games- except for for versus Michigan including when they were ranked number three in the country, three versus Michigan State including when they are on the road and favored to lose, three versus Penn State, a fiesta bowl and a night time overtime win versus a great Wisconsin team on the road

He did lose at Penn State when Ohio state was playing it's second consecutive road night game and white out conditions, and for the second straight week the opponent had a week off to prepare, and the field-goal kicker got blocked, and the right side of the offense of line could not protect him And he lost to Clemson win we didn't even try to run the ball and we lost to Oklahoma this year even though our defense could not stop the other team at all and Iowa this year even though the defense could not stop the other team at all

MrNubbz · « **Reply #74 on:** November 30, 2017, 02:48:18 PM »

HB we're Old Men yelling at clouds and right past each other.Barrett started as a RS FR and so could DW IMO.Go Bucks and Happy Holidays

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #75 on:** November 30, 2017, 07:58:41 PM »

Quote from: MrNubbz on November 30, 2017, 02:48:18 PM

HB we're Old Men yelling at clouds and right past each other.Barrett started as a RS FR and so could DW IMO.Go Bucks and Happy Holidays

Quote from: MrNubbz on November 30, 2017, 02:48:18 PM

HB we're Old Men yelling at clouds and right past each other.Barrett started as a RS FR and so could DW IMO.Go Bucks and Happy Holidays

Ha! Did you have to remind me that I am old? My brain feels 20, but my body reminds me I am 56.

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Topic: Playoff picture heading into CCG's

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