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Re: Playoff picture heading into CCG's
« Reply #28 on: November 28, 2017, 12:12:02 PM »
Wiscy is strong defensively, though they have faced a bevy of bad offenses.  By S&P+:

Utah State - 68
Florida Atlantic - 8
BYU - 121
Northwestern - 81
Nebraska - 80
Purdue - 71
Maryland - 112
Illinois - 124
Indiana - 92
Iowa - 102
Michigan - 72
Minnesota - 119

FAU clearly the outlier there, and that was early in the season.  I think this game might be higher scoring.

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Re: Playoff picture heading into CCG's
« Reply #29 on: November 28, 2017, 12:20:34 PM »
This will determine how much influence the bean counters have in the selection process, imo. 

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Re: Playoff picture heading into CCG's
« Reply #30 on: November 28, 2017, 12:38:10 PM »
Wiscy is strong defensively, though they have faced a bevy of bad offenses.  By S&P+:

Utah State - 68
Florida Atlantic - 8
BYU - 121
Northwestern - 81
Nebraska - 80
Purdue - 71
Maryland - 112
Illinois - 124
Indiana - 92
Iowa - 102
Michigan - 72
Minnesota - 119

FAU clearly the outlier there, and that was early in the season.  I think this game might be higher scoring.
Does S&P let you remove games to see how it affects the ratings? I'd be curious what all of those would be if UW were removed.
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Re: Playoff picture heading into CCG's
« Reply #31 on: November 28, 2017, 12:56:03 PM »
Nebraska would stay the same

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Re: Playoff picture heading into CCG's
« Reply #32 on: November 28, 2017, 01:13:08 PM »
Does S&P let you remove games to see how it affects the ratings? I'd be curious what all of those would be if UW were removed.
Not as far as I know

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Re: Playoff picture heading into CCG's
« Reply #33 on: November 28, 2017, 01:56:47 PM »
Also- you seem pretty sure that Ohio State wont sling it around?  Evidence might say otherwise.

what I've seen in BIG games, for the most part, is Urban will play it close to the vest. He'll run JT barrett 15-20 times, most likely forget about his RBs for 2 quarters and only throw if he's forced into it.

This year there's only been a handful of games where I would say it looks like we gameplanned to throw a lot. Indiana, but we had to abandon it and we were gonna win or lose on JK Dobbins legs, which is why he had like 29 carries. JT's numbers look good in that game, but he had 2 long plays late that inflated the numbers.

OU and Iowa we came out ready to throw, and both were utter disasters.

Penn St he threw, although that might have been more due to the fact we were down huge in the game. JT played lights out. Nebraska we threw a ton, he was lights out, but Nebraska sucks.

the offense, much like the defense has been wildly inconsistent. Urban won't say it because he loves JT, but I don't think he trusts the passing game.

and I'm a JT fan, I think he's a great college qb albeit up and down like most college qbs. I think we have a nice set of WR's, no all pros but a very nice bunch. I think it'd be wise to sling it at least the first couple of series to get Wisconsin's D loosened up a little bit. but if you look at our last 2 BIG games, MSU and UM, it's clear Urban's all about running the ball now to win. which, if he gives those carries to RB's  might not be a horrible idea.

but lets not confuse this OSU team with OU, or Oky St, or something of that elk. Kevin Wilson might be calling the plays, but Urban has his hands all over this offense, for better or worse. This is not Indiana's offense at OSU

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Re: Playoff picture heading into CCG's
« Reply #34 on: November 28, 2017, 03:47:05 PM »
Barrett:
Against MSU: 55 yards rushing, 183 passing
Michigan: 67 yards rushing, 30 passing (left game early)
PSU: 95 rushing, 328 passing
Iowa: 63 rushing, 208 passing

Don't forget 4 picks against Iowa.

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Re: Playoff picture heading into CCG's
« Reply #35 on: November 28, 2017, 03:51:27 PM »
Don't forget 4 picks against Iowa.
I left off picks and touchdowns because I was lazy and would have had to click around.
PSU: 4 TD passes, 0 picks, 0 rushing TDs
Iowa: 3 TD passes, 4 picks, 0 rushing TDs
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Re: Playoff picture heading into CCG's
« Reply #36 on: November 28, 2017, 04:36:57 PM »
Also- you seem pretty sure that Ohio State wont sling it around?  Evidence might say otherwise.

what I've seen in BIG games, for the most part, is Urban will play it close to the vest. He'll run JT barrett 15-20 times, most likely forget about his RBs for 2 quarters and only throw if he's forced into it.

This year there's only been a handful of games where I would say it looks like we gameplanned to throw a lot. Indiana, but we had to abandon it and we were gonna win or lose on JK Dobbins legs, which is why he had like 29 carries. JT's numbers look good in that game, but he had 2 long plays late that inflated the numbers.

OU and Iowa we came out ready to throw, and both were utter disasters.

Penn St he threw, although that might have been more due to the fact we were down huge in the game. JT played lights out. Nebraska we threw a ton, he was lights out, but Nebraska sucks.

the offense, much like the defense has been wildly inconsistent. Urban won't say it because he loves JT, but I don't think he trusts the passing game.

and I'm a JT fan, I think he's a great college qb albeit up and down like most college qbs. I think we have a nice set of WR's, no all pros but a very nice bunch. I think it'd be wise to sling it at least the first couple of series to get Wisconsin's D loosened up a little bit. but if you look at our last 2 BIG games, MSU and UM, it's clear Urban's all about running the ball now to win. which, if he gives those carries to RB's  might not be a horrible idea.

but lets not confuse this OSU team with OU, or Oky St, or something of that elk. Kevin Wilson might be calling the plays, but Urban has his hands all over this offense, for better or worse. This is not Indiana's offense at OSU
Thank god they are not OKIE State or Oklahoma! Those teams are not balanced enough to win in the Big Ten.

and- wildly inconsistent?  Oh my.  Some great games and some poor games..a little up and down perhaps, but far more consistent than most teams.
you don't play a full 12 game schedule, including the East Division in the Big where you beat great defense at MSU/UM/PSU , and end up with the results they have.
Being #1 in Offense, scoring, Rushing, First downs, pass efficiency, total yards, etc..   they are in the top 3-10 in the nation in all of those categories except one. In fact- it would be hard to argue that they are not the most balanced, high output offense in the nation. Nobody I can find comes close.

and the old "what about the big games" mantra is hilarious.  Yeah, because all other units in CFB do their best against the best teams  (DUH)  and Big games are not defined that way until a team loses.

yes, lets talk about JTs 4 pick game.  so the most prolific TD producer in the history of the conference, and the most prolific and efficient passer in the conference by a wide margin this season,(Most TD passes by far with best interception ratio) had a bad game.  who didn't?  The defense didn't even show up for the game- a classic case of emotional let down after the previous week which was the one the pointed to since last year.

Also- the Urban calling JT runs "thing."    You do realize that 95% of those are zone reads, where the other team has chosen to defend the RB right? And yes- that's the kind of offense that Urban runs- the one listed above with all of those national leading stats.  A big part of that is because they make the defense account for the QB-

Now- I do wish they would have called more straight up power runs for the RBs- it was driving me crazy in the first half Saturday.

But then again they have to take advantage of Barrett's incredible accuracy of the proper read on zone reads.  They called several for Haskins and he made the wrong read pretty much across the board.
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Re: Playoff picture heading into CCG's
« Reply #37 on: November 28, 2017, 07:01:45 PM »

But then again they have to take advantage of Barrett's incredible accuracy of the proper read on zone reads.  They called several for Haskins and he made the wrong read pretty much across the board.
Already preparing for the complaints on Haskins not being able to run the zone read like Barrett could.  People are going to miss all those tough yards Barrett can get.

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Re: Playoff picture heading into CCG's
« Reply #38 on: November 28, 2017, 08:40:08 PM »
Already preparing for the complaints on Haskins not being able to run the zone read like Barrett could.  People are going to miss all those tough yards Barrett can get.
Haskins will get the hang of it. 
Barrett is the best I have ever seen at it. Not only does he get it right pretty much every time, his timing and ability to hide it for a bit is incredible. 
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Re: Playoff picture heading into CCG's
« Reply #39 on: November 28, 2017, 09:17:12 PM »
Urban is bat shit crazy if he thinks he is going to win out with JTB under center.It was on display last Saturday
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Re: Playoff picture heading into CCG's
« Reply #40 on: November 28, 2017, 09:27:52 PM »
Already preparing for the complaints on Haskins not being able to run the zone read like Barrett could.  People are going to miss all those tough yards Barrett can get.
The only complaints i see on Buckeye boards is why Haskins hasn't been rotated in earlier in the year
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Re: Playoff picture heading into CCG's
« Reply #41 on: November 28, 2017, 10:23:39 PM »
The back up QB is always the most popular guy on the team.

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