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Topic: Playoff field, impact of CCG's

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Re: Playoff field, impact of CCG's
« Reply #84 on: December 07, 2024, 09:11:51 PM »
Computer models are objective. I know you don't like those.

Huh?
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Re: Playoff field, impact of CCG's
« Reply #85 on: December 07, 2024, 09:12:46 PM »
I'm eager for someone to explain how ASU jumps Boise, when they're 5 spots apart and both won their CCGs.  
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Re: Playoff field, impact of CCG's
« Reply #86 on: December 07, 2024, 09:13:59 PM »
Devils win over the clones was MUCH more impressive 
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Re: Playoff field, impact of CCG's
« Reply #87 on: December 07, 2024, 09:18:26 PM »
5 spots more impressive?  With an extra loss more impressive?  I think it would be sort of unprecedented.
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Re: Playoff field, impact of CCG's
« Reply #88 on: December 07, 2024, 09:26:42 PM »
Huh?
You want an objective system, or at least that's what you just said. But you used to rail against the BCS computer rankings because they were "wrong". My conjecture is that they were objective, but you considered them "wrong" because they disagreed with your subjective rankings.

I don't think you want an objective system. I think you want a system that comes up with results with which you agree. 

I'm eager for someone to explain how ASU jumps Boise, when they're 5 spots apart and both won their CCGs. 

Has this happened? AFAIK the committee with release their new rankings until tomorrow(?)...

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Re: Playoff field, impact of CCG's
« Reply #89 on: December 07, 2024, 09:38:01 PM »
You want an objective system, or at least that's what you just said. But you used to rail against the BCS computer rankings because they were "wrong". My conjecture is that they were objective, but you considered them "wrong" because they disagreed with your subjective rankings.

I don't think you want an objective system. I think you want a system that comes up with results with which you agree.
Uhhh, this is completely false.

I prefer computer rankings.  My criticism with them when it came to their use in the BCS was that they were compromised and altered, NOT the actual genuine rankings.  

I'm fairly sure I'm correct about this one :)
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Re: Playoff field, impact of CCG's
« Reply #90 on: December 07, 2024, 09:40:37 PM »
5 spots more impressive?  With an extra loss more impressive?  I think it would be sort of unprecedented.
Just giving you the answer 
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Re: Playoff field, impact of CCG's
« Reply #91 on: December 07, 2024, 10:18:28 PM »
Just giving you the answer
Oh, well that was easy.
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Re: Playoff field, impact of CCG's
« Reply #92 on: December 08, 2024, 01:43:57 AM »
So the groups of teams we have are:
champs:
B10 champ Oregon is legit, having beaten OSU, PSU, and Boise.  Strong outcomes, strong tests.
SEC champ Georgia has 2 losses to good teams, and beat playoff team Texas twice.  2 losses, but difficult schedule
XII champ ASU has 2 losses to unranked teams, but is on a 6-game win streak (which is important, I'm told, but idk why).
ACC champ Clemson has 3 losses, including being whipped by UGA.  Just had their first win over a ranked opp.
MWC champ Boise has 1 loss to #1 Oregon.  Crap schedule - best wins are @ UNLV and vs UNLV.  Yawn.
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non-champs
Team with good record, but haven't beaten anyone of note:  Indiana (lost only strong challenge)
Teams with good record, but had a bad loss:  Notre Dame, OSU
2-loss teams with weak schedule and lost to only good teams they played:  Texas, Penn St
2-loss team with at least a decent schedule and good loss:  Tennessee
--------------consensus line of demarcation (11 teams above are "in")-------------
2-loss teams from weak ACC:  SMU, Miami
2-loss team from weak XII:  BYU (beat SMU, but lost  2 of last 3 (like Miami) - if win streaks matter, doesn't this?)
3-loss teams with a high ceiling (beat a playoff team):  Bama, Miss, USCe
Syracuse is somewhere between these last 2 groups (win vs Miami)
3-loss teams with nothing to boast about:  Mizzou, Illinois, ISU, CU
« Last Edit: December 08, 2024, 01:49:00 AM by OrangeAfroMan »
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Re: Playoff field, impact of CCG's
« Reply #93 on: December 08, 2024, 08:34:16 AM »


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Re: Playoff field, impact of CCG's
« Reply #94 on: December 08, 2024, 08:37:21 AM »
There will always be controversy in who is left out.  They make a decision and that's that.

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Re: Playoff field, impact of CCG's
« Reply #95 on: December 08, 2024, 09:25:11 AM »
Teams with good record, but had a bad loss:  Notre Dame, OSU
I don't count Michigan as a bad loss for OSU. Michigan has a 7-5 record and it's the biggest rivalry game in the land.

NIU has a 7-5 record in the MAC. That's a bad loss.

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Re: Playoff field, impact of CCG's
« Reply #96 on: December 08, 2024, 09:39:42 AM »
XII: One team
ACC: One team, + fND
G5: One team

SEC and B1G make up the rest.

fUO, OSU, PSU, IU, UGA, UTx2, UAT.
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Re: Playoff field, impact of CCG's
« Reply #97 on: December 08, 2024, 09:54:27 AM »
I don't count Michigan as a bad loss for OSU. Michigan has a 7-5 record and it's the biggest rivalry game in the land.

NIU has a 7-5 record in the MAC. That's a bad loss.


Michigan at 7-5 is not good

bad loss

NIU is just worse
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