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Topic: Playoff field, impact of CCG's

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Re: Playoff field, impact of CCG's
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2024, 04:21:09 PM »
There has been chatter out there that SMU should forfeit their CCG.

That's where we are now.

It would be beautiful if they did.

Also, I've heard PSU should play their back up's in the B1G Championship game, to move back to the coveted 5 seed.

They've really bungled this entire thing with formatting.

AQ's fine.  Bu there should be no guaranteed bye's.  Top 4 teams should get the bye's.

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Re: Playoff field, impact of CCG's
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2024, 04:29:40 PM »
There has been chatter out there that SMU should forfeit their CCG.

That's where we are now.
They should fake a COVID outbreak.

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Re: Playoff field, impact of CCG's
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2024, 05:26:19 PM »
or strep throat or the flu
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Re: Playoff field, impact of CCG's
« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2024, 10:59:51 PM »
Yes, I'm sure they'll pass up an opportunity for a conference title in order to have a different seed in a cfp that they have nearly 0% chance of winning. 

That said, it might look like the backups are in, if the Ducks are firing on all cylinders. 

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Re: Playoff field, impact of CCG's
« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2024, 11:53:16 AM »
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Re: Playoff field, impact of CCG's
« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2024, 02:39:53 PM »
It would be beautiful if they did.

Also, I've heard PSU should play their back up's in the B1G Championship game, to move back to the coveted 5 seed.

They've really bungled this entire thing with formatting.

AQ's fine.  Bu there should be no guaranteed bye's.  Top 4 teams should get the bye's.
I like rewarding Conference Champions with a bye.  I'd prefer an eight team playoff that rewarded the top-4 Conference Champions with HFA in the quarter-finals but what they need to change is that they need to reseed after the first round using the rankings, not the CFP Seeds.  So for this year, assuming all higher ranked teams win all games it would be this:
  • #1 Oregon over #3 Penn State in B1GCG
  • #2 Texas over #5 Georgia in SECCG
  • #8 SMU over #17 Clemson in ACCCG
  • #15 ASU over #16 ISU in B12CG
  • #10 Boise over #20 UNLV in MWCCG
Then, assuming teams that lose their CG's don't get punished for it, the final seedings/rankings will be approximately:
  • #1 Oregon
  • #2 Texas
  • #8 SMU
  • #10 Boise
  • #3 Penn State
  • #4 Notre Dame
  • #5 Georgia
  • #6 Ohio State
  • #7 Tennessee
  • #9 Indiana
  • #11 Bama
  • #15 Arizona State
As it stands currently that leads to:
  • #7 Tennessee at #6 Ohio State, winner vs #1 Oregon
  • #9 Indiana at #5 Georgia, winner vs #2 Texas
  • #11 Bama at #4 Notre Dame, winner vs #8 SMU
  • #15 ASU at #3 Penn State, winner vs #10 Boise
With higher-ranked teams winning all games, the quarter-final match-ups are:
  • #1 Oregon vs #6 Ohio State
  • #2 Texas vs #5 Georgia
  • #3 Penn State vs #10 Boise
  • #4 Notre Dame vs #8 SMU

This is unfair to #1 Oregon and #2 Texas as their "reward" for going undefeated, winning their league, and finishing #1/2 is to get a tougher quarter-final opponent than Penn State and Notre Dame teams that were less accomplished and, in PSU's case, not only lost to a team that Oregon beat but also lost H2H to Oregon on a neutral field.  

Reseeding fixes it.  After the higher ranked teams win their first-round games, the new seeds are:
  • #1 Oregon
  • #2 Texas
  • #3 Penn State
  • #4 Notre Dame
  • #5 Georgia
  • #6 Ohio State
  • #8 SMU
  • #10 Boise
So the second round is:
  • #1 Oregon vs #10 Boise
  • #2 Texas vs #8 SMU
  • #3 Penn State vs #6 Ohio State
  • #4 Notre Dame vs #5 Georgia
Oregon and Texas accomplished enough to earn an easier path.  They shouldn't get stuck playing #5/6 Georgia/Ohio State when #8/10 SMU/Boise are available.  


For the record, I wasn't in favor of expansion and I wanted it limited to eight to keep more meaning in the regular season.  I'd have set it up as eight teams with the four highest ranked Champions hosting the quarter-finals.  You'd still have to include five league champions for legal/political reasons so the four teams thus eliminated would be Bama, Indiana, Tennessee and Ohio State and your seeds would be:
  • #1 Oregon
  • #2 Texas
  • #8 SMU
  • #10 Boise
  • #3 Penn State
  • #4 Notre Dame
  • #5 Georgia
  • #15 ASU
The first round games would be:
  • #15 ASU at #1 Oregon
  • #3 Penn State at #10 Boise
  • #4 Notre Dame at #8 SMU
  • #5 Georgia at #2 Texas


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Re: Playoff field, impact of CCG's
« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2024, 03:08:31 PM »
There has been chatter out there that SMU should forfeit their CCG.

That's where we are now.
No, and I'll tell  you why.  They have zero shot of doing anything in the playoff except going 0-1.  They do have a shot at winning their conference championship.  I would much rather have an ACC championship versus a meaningless CFP appearance, especially when you really didn't deserve to get there.  But hey, maybe they will luck out and survive the first round, but even then, so what?  

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Re: Playoff field, impact of CCG's
« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2024, 03:36:14 PM »
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Re: Playoff field, impact of CCG's
« Reply #22 on: December 05, 2024, 05:22:49 PM »
I like rewarding Conference Champions with a bye.  I'd prefer an eight team playoff that rewarded the top-4 Conference Champions with HFA in the quarter-finals but what they need to change is that they need to reseed after the first round using the rankings, not the CFP Seeds.  So for this year, assuming all higher ranked teams win all games it would be this:
  • #1 Oregon over #3 Penn State in B1GCG
  • #2 Texas over #5 Georgia in SECCG
  • #8 SMU over #17 Clemson in ACCCG
  • #15 ASU over #16 ISU in B12CG
  • #10 Boise over #20 UNLV in MWCCG
Then, assuming teams that lose their CG's don't get punished for it, the final seedings/rankings will be approximately:
  • #1 Oregon
  • #2 Texas
  • #8 SMU
  • #10 Boise
  • #3 Penn State
  • #4 Notre Dame
  • #5 Georgia
  • #6 Ohio State
  • #7 Tennessee
  • #9 Indiana
  • #11 Bama
  • #15 Arizona State
As it stands currently that leads to:
  • #7 Tennessee at #6 Ohio State, winner vs #1 Oregon
  • #9 Indiana at #5 Georgia, winner vs #2 Texas
  • #11 Bama at #4 Notre Dame, winner vs #8 SMU
  • #15 ASU at #3 Penn State, winner vs #10 Boise
With higher-ranked teams winning all games, the quarter-final match-ups are:
  • #1 Oregon vs #6 Ohio State
  • #2 Texas vs #5 Georgia
  • #3 Penn State vs #10 Boise
  • #4 Notre Dame vs #8 SMU

This is unfair to #1 Oregon and #2 Texas as their "reward" for going undefeated, winning their league, and finishing #1/2 is to get a tougher quarter-final opponent than Penn State and Notre Dame teams that were less accomplished and, in PSU's case, not only lost to a team that Oregon beat but also lost H2H to Oregon on a neutral field. 

Reseeding fixes it.  After the higher ranked teams win their first-round games, the new seeds are:
  • #1 Oregon
  • #2 Texas
  • #3 Penn State
  • #4 Notre Dame
  • #5 Georgia
  • #6 Ohio State
  • #8 SMU
  • #10 Boise
So the second round is:
  • #1 Oregon vs #10 Boise
  • #2 Texas vs #8 SMU
  • #3 Penn State vs #6 Ohio State
  • #4 Notre Dame vs #5 Georgia
Oregon and Texas accomplished enough to earn an easier path.  They shouldn't get stuck playing #5/6 Georgia/Ohio State when #8/10 SMU/Boise are available. 


For the record, I wasn't in favor of expansion and I wanted it limited to eight to keep more meaning in the regular season.  I'd have set it up as eight teams with the four highest ranked Champions hosting the quarter-finals.  You'd still have to include five league champions for legal/political reasons so the four teams thus eliminated would be Bama, Indiana, Tennessee and Ohio State and your seeds would be:
  • #1 Oregon
  • #2 Texas
  • #8 SMU
  • #10 Boise
  • #3 Penn State
  • #4 Notre Dame
  • #5 Georgia
  • #15 ASU
The first round games would be:
  • #15 ASU at #1 Oregon
  • #3 Penn State at #10 Boise
  • #4 Notre Dame at #8 SMU
  • #5 Georgia at #2 Texas



Yuck:

With higher-ranked teams winning all games, the quarter-final match-ups are:
  • #1 Oregon vs #6 Ohio State
  • #2 Texas vs #5 Georgia
  • #3 Penn State vs #10 Boise
  • #4 Notre Dame vs #8 SMU


Still Yuck:

Reseeding fixes it.  After the higher ranked teams win their first-round games, the new seeds are:
  • #1 Oregon
  • #2 Texas
  • #3 Penn State
  • #4 Notre Dame
  • #5 Georgia
  • #6 Ohio State
  • #8 SMU
  • #10 Boise
So the second round is:
  • #1 Oregon vs #10 Boise
  • #2 Texas vs #8 SMU
  • #3 Penn State vs #6 Ohio State
  • #4 Notre Dame vs #5 Georgia

Worst of all:

You'd still have to include five league champions for legal/political reasons so the four teams thus eliminated would be Bama, Indiana, Tennessee and Ohio State and your seeds would be:

  • #1 Oregon
  • #2 Texas
  • #8 SMU
  • #10 Boise
  • #3 Penn State
  • #4 Notre Dame
  • #5 Georgia
  • #15 ASU
The first round games would be:
  • #15 ASU at #1 Oregon
  • #3 Penn State at #10 Boise
  • #4 Notre Dame at #8 SMU
  • #5 Georgia at #2 Texas


This is better:


*. #1 Oregon - Bye
  • #2 Texas - Bye
  • #3 Penn State - Bye
  • #4 Notre Dame - Bye
  • #5 Georgia
  • #6 Ohio State
  • #7 Tennessee
  • #9 Indiana
  • #11 Bama
  • #8 SMU
  • #10 Boise
  • #15 Arizona State



The 3 turds at the end shouldn't be taking up valuable space after the 1st round, and certainly shouldn't be taking up 3 spots in an 8 team field.

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Re: Playoff field, impact of CCG's
« Reply #23 on: December 05, 2024, 06:34:31 PM »
Is the Mac the least impactful ccg? Or is the Sunbelt worse?

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Re: Playoff field, impact of CCG's
« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2024, 06:37:53 PM »
There are no stupid questions 
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Re: Playoff field, impact of CCG's
« Reply #25 on: December 05, 2024, 07:16:18 PM »
This is merely a 2-year dumpster fire of a postseason.  Whoever came up with this playoff format is a dipshit.  Why have 4 byes for 4 conf champs when the conferences are demonstrably unequal? 

Boise gets a first-class seat BECAUSE they had an easier path?!/  What the what?!?  ASU gets a ticket onto the plane because its new conference is mediocrity's best friend?!?!  How ?!?

It's fucking stupid.  But it's temporary.
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Re: Playoff field, impact of CCG's
« Reply #26 on: December 05, 2024, 07:25:23 PM »
Everything is temporary 
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Re: Playoff field, impact of CCG's
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