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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Playoff 4
« Reply #56 on: November 28, 2021, 02:44:19 PM »
btw, Cincinnati's recruiting ranking that year was 49th. 

Does the 49th-best class go undefeated or have 1 loss in a P5 conference?  No, not unless it's an embarrassingly bad one, like the ACC.
Other schools ranked 47th-51st in recruiting:  Washington State, Pitt, Indiana, Syracuse.

Pitt had a great season against a shit schedule and still lost to Western Michigan.  Wazzou went 7-5, IU 2-10, Syracuse 5-7.  Cincinnati has the talent of those teams, or close to it.  Together, they combined to go .500 as P5 programs. 

I wonder how Cincinnati managed to overachieve so much.  Could it be their schedule? 
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Re: Playoff 4
« Reply #57 on: November 28, 2021, 02:45:19 PM »
Everyone here is aware they played a soft schedule and basically a one game slate.  Everyone.

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Re: Playoff 4
« Reply #58 on: November 28, 2021, 02:54:25 PM »
btw, Cincinnati's recruiting ranking that year was 49th. 

Does the 49th-best class go undefeated or have 1 loss in a P5 conference?  No, not unless it's an embarrassingly bad one, like the ACC.
Other schools ranked 47th-51st in recruiting:  Washington State, Pitt, Indiana, Syracuse.

Pitt had a great season against a shit schedule and still lost to Western Michigan.  Wazzou went 7-5, IU 2-10, Syracuse 5-7.  Cincinnati has the talent of those teams, or close to it.  Together, they combined to go .500 as P5 programs. 

I wonder how Cincinnati managed to overachieve so much.  Could it be their schedule? 
BUT THEIR RECRUITING RANKING!!!!

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Re: Playoff 4
« Reply #59 on: November 28, 2021, 02:56:43 PM »
You have Cincy in as a 1 loss champ over the Iowa Hawkeyes?
I have undefeated Georgia and undefeated Cincy and one loss ND in over the 2 loss Big Ten champ Hawkeyes, but Iowa gets the 4th slot if mayhem causes all other one loss teams to lose.
Hawks are in over a 2 loss ACC champ, a 2 loss Big 12 champ Baylor Bears, 2 loss PAC champ Ducks, 2 loss independent BYU, and 2 loss non-SEC champ Bama 
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Re: Playoff 4
« Reply #60 on: November 28, 2021, 02:57:23 PM »
So what? 

Obviously the recruiting rankings are meaningless is Texas and USC are in the top 5. 

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Re: Playoff 4
« Reply #61 on: November 28, 2021, 02:57:43 PM »
btw, Cincinnati's recruiting ranking that year was 49th. 

perhaps we should look at how many former Bearcats are in the NFL currently?
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Re: Playoff 4
« Reply #62 on: November 28, 2021, 02:58:15 PM »
So what?

Obviously the recruiting rankings are meaningless is Texas and USC are in the top 5.

and the Buckeyes, and Bama, and Clemson
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Re: Playoff 4
« Reply #63 on: November 28, 2021, 02:58:38 PM »
It helps perception, I think, that UC played UGA down to the wire last year.  I know one can make excused and claim UGA was missing players and undermotivated, but even so, it was a game UC almost won.  They did beat ND.  The perception any "good team" would blow them away is not entirely in accord with known facts.  They may be less talented, and better coached, I don't know.  I personally would agree with the committee on them.

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Re: Playoff 4
« Reply #64 on: November 28, 2021, 02:59:32 PM »
and the Buckeyes, and Bama, and Clemson
Yeah, the top 5 produced on bubble team in Bama and the other four are on the outside looking in. 

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Re: Playoff 4
« Reply #65 on: November 28, 2021, 03:02:34 PM »
Cincy may be undefeated in the ACC this season

or the PAC

one loss in either conference wouldn't be a great stretch, I don't think
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Re: Playoff 4
« Reply #67 on: November 28, 2021, 03:31:59 PM »
btw, Cincinnati's recruiting ranking that year was 49th. 

Does the 49th-best class go undefeated or have 1 loss in a P5 conference?  No, not unless it's an embarrassingly bad one, like the ACC.
Other schools ranked 47th-51st in recruiting:  Washington State, Pitt, Indiana, Syracuse.

Pitt had a great season against a shit schedule and still lost to Western Michigan.  Wazzou went 7-5, IU 2-10, Syracuse 5-7.  Cincinnati has the talent of those teams, or close to it.  Together, they combined to go .500 as P5 programs. 

I wonder how Cincinnati managed to overachieve so much.  Could it be their schedule? 
Oh man, this argument is full of holes, but I digress.  Look, we all know UC’s SOS is the elephant in the room in regards to their playoff hopes.  There is no easy answer or formula to follow.  I’d venture to say that every single P5 school in the country played a better schedule than UC.  Typically, the bigger the difference in record the more SOS seems to lose its relevance.  UC-Oklahoma St is an interesting discussion about where to rank them and how much SOS should come into play.  UC-Maryland isn’t as interesting despite the fact Maryland also played a tougher schedule.

UC has something very few G5 teams ever have.  They have a win over another playoff contender and their blood is as blue as you can get in college football.  We’ll see how it shakes out.

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Re: Playoff 4
« Reply #68 on: November 28, 2021, 04:20:52 PM »
Give all the 2-loss big boys Cincinnati's schedule and tell me they're not undefeated, too.  Full focus on ND for that 1 week and coast the rest of the season.  
It's not complicated. 
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Re: Playoff 4
« Reply #69 on: November 28, 2021, 04:37:24 PM »
fine, I'll buy it, but....

that doesn't mean Cincy sucks and isn't worthy
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