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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: Playoff 4
« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2021, 10:01:33 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on November 28, 2021, 12:38:52 AM
Miami (OH) or Florida St - not close
Murray St or Toledo - not close
Indiana or Purdue - not close
ND or Wisconsin
Temple or Cincinnati - not close
UCF or Virginia Tech
Navy or USC - not close
Tulane or North Carolina - not close
Tulsa or Navy
USF or Virginia - not close
SMU or Georgia Tech - not close
ECU or Stanford

Have fun holding h2h above 11 other data points.  ND's season is objectively better than Cincinnati's.  Unless you're a caveman.
What I love about this argument is that no matter how you slice it, it should invalidate any claim ND has on getting into the playoff.

The argument against Cincinnati is that they're just some upjumped mediocre G5 team that has no place at the adult table and we don't know how good they are since they played a bad schedule, so we should just assume they're not very good.

If that's the case, then Notre Dame shouldn't get anywhere near the playoff after losing to some upjumped mediocre G5 team that has no place at the adult table. If we're going to keep OSU out due to a loss to Purdue on the road, shouldn't we keep Notre Dame out of the playoff due to losing by two scores to shithole Cincinnati at home? 

The alternative is that Cincinnati is a pretty good team, which would make ND's loss to Cincinnati forgivable in the CFP rankings.... But if Cincinnati is a pretty good team, than being undefeated and having H2H two-score victory over Notre Dame in South Bend should keep Cincinnati ahead of them. 

Either way you want to go on Cincinnati, the loss damns Notre Dame. 
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Re: Playoff 4
« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2021, 10:14:14 AM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on November 28, 2021, 10:01:33 AM
What I love about this argument is that no matter how you slice it, it should invalidate any claim ND has on getting into the playoff.

The argument against Cincinnati is that they're just some upjumped mediocre G5 team that has no place at the adult table and we don't know how good they are since they played a bad schedule, so we should just assume they're not very good.

If that's the case, then Notre Dame shouldn't get anywhere near the playoff after losing to some upjumped mediocre G5 team that has no place at the adult table. If we're going to keep OSU out due to a loss to Purdue on the road, shouldn't we keep Notre Dame out of the playoff due to losing by two scores to shithole Cincinnati at home?

The alternative is that Cincinnati is a pretty good team, which would make ND's loss to Cincinnati forgivable in the CFP rankings.... But if Cincinnati is a pretty good team, than being undefeated and having H2H two-score victory over Notre Dame in South Bend should keep Cincinnati ahead of them.

Either way you want to go on Cincinnati, the loss damns Notre Dame.

Totally agree.

Which is why it will be so soul-suckingly awful when the committee goes ahead and puts Notre Dame in, anyway... ;)
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Re: Playoff 4
« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2021, 10:17:12 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on November 28, 2021, 10:14:14 AM
Totally agree.

Which is why it will be so soul-suckingly awful when the committee goes ahead and puts Notre Dame in, anyway... ;)
Lol. They won’t.
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Re: Playoff 4
« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2021, 10:42:57 AM »
Quote from: Hawkinole on November 28, 2021, 12:21:55 AM
The season will play out. Cincy plays 11-1 Houston in the AAC championship game. Cincy is not a lock to win.
If Cincy does win, so long as ND or Ohio State are ahead of Oklahoma State in this week's rankings, Cincy will survive.
Oklahoma State would have to move ahead of ND and Ohio State this week in the rankings. Oklahoma State would have to annihilate Baylor with style points, for Oklahoma State to reach the playoff. I don't see ND reaching the playoff if Cincy wins its CCG.
the committee has shown, this coming week's ranking and the final ranking are not related
when it comes to the final ranking they throw out all previous rankings and do what they feel is best for the playoff
probably the way it should be
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Re: Playoff 4
« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2021, 11:00:19 AM »
If we get mayhem, Notre Dame would get in.  Then I don't know what.  Cincy, Bama, Michigan all lose and would seem to be out.

Ohio State?  Baylor?  Oregon?  Utah?  Wake Forest?  That would be fascinating.
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Re: Playoff 4
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2021, 11:06:25 AM »
2 loss teams have no say
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Re: Playoff 4
« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2021, 11:07:45 AM »
those of us w/o a dog in the fight, most times root for havoc and mayhem this coming weekend

we got a taste last weekend with Michigan beating OSU and OSU beating Oklahoma

I might root for my home state Hawkeyes although it would make for an even longer off-season

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Re: Playoff 4
« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2021, 11:09:37 AM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on November 28, 2021, 11:06:25 AM
2 loss teams have no say
Probably, but in the unlikely event that the top three lose, what then?  What one loss teams would remain aside from Cincy and ND?
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Re: Playoff 4
« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2021, 11:12:17 AM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on November 28, 2021, 11:06:25 AM
2 loss teams have no say
so, Georgia, Cincy, ND, and San Diego St/Houston?
if everything goes to hell
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Re: Playoff 4
« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2021, 11:13:56 AM »
Cincy needs to root for Georgia. If Bama wins, the SEC takes two spots.
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Re: Playoff 4
« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2021, 11:14:56 AM »
the entire college football world is rooting for Georgia

cept for a few thousand Bamers
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Re: Playoff 4
« Reply #25 on: November 28, 2021, 11:20:51 AM »
I too will be rooting for UGA.

And mayhem, at least some of it.  

Maybe Houston can beat Cincy and put that to rest and Baylor beats oSu and Michigan wins to claim #2.  I'd guess that puts ND in the playoff.

And ... Ohio State????
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Re: Playoff 4
« Reply #26 on: November 28, 2021, 11:22:00 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on November 28, 2021, 11:13:56 AM
Cincy needs to root for Georgia. If Bama wins, the SEC takes two spots.
unfortunately, I think you're right. let's hope this isn't the case. 

from what I've seen of Bama, they have serious issues on the offensive line. Bryce Young being a wizard has masked a lot of their OL issues. They are about to face the best front 7 in college football. Not sure they'll be able to block UGA's front. 
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Re: Playoff 4
« Reply #27 on: November 28, 2021, 11:26:05 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on November 28, 2021, 11:20:51 AM
I too will be rooting for UGA.

And mayhem, at least some of it. 

Maybe Houston can beat Cincy and put that to rest and Baylor beats oSu and Michigan wins to claim #2.  I'd guess that puts ND in the playoff.

And ... Ohio State????
and Ohio st has 2 loss, no say
and if the Hawkeyes win, Michigan and Iowa have 2 losses, no say
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