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Topic: Players skipping bowl games

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847badgerfan

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Re: Players skipping bowl games
« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2017, 08:20:04 PM »
Kids are given scholarships to play football when the football games are scheduled. If they choose not to play, their pay is taken away.

That's how it works in the world we all live in.
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Re: Players skipping bowl games
« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2017, 10:00:53 PM »
Kids are given scholarships to play football when the football games are scheduled. If they choose not to play, their pay is taken away.

That's how it works in the world we all live in.
Pay? Whatever do you mean? These are amateur athletics.

In the world I live in, I can earn what someone will pay me and if I do not appear fit for a job promised me, there is no expectation I will receive it. College football does not conform to either of those.

(What are the mechanics here? Does someone get thrown out of school if they don't play in a bowl? What if someone's hurt and the coach doesn't believe them? This seems like a slippery slope to a lot of things, and the only upside seems to be a visceral short of short-term satisfaction)

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Re: Players skipping bowl games
« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2017, 01:15:13 AM »
The kids skipping bowl games don't care what penalty there is for doing so, because they're gone anyway.  By pulling their scholarship and the timing of the bowl season, you'd simply be motivating them to stay home spring semester.

So what's the penalty exactly?
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Re: Players skipping bowl games
« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2017, 06:57:13 AM »
(Some) People talk about wanting to pay players. They already get paid in the form of a scholarship, which includes tuition, academic assistance, training, housing, food and, now, cost of attendance.

Focus on the last five items in that list. There is the penalty for abandoning your responsibilities and for abandoning your teammates.

Actions have consequences. Welcome to reality.
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Re: Players skipping bowl games
« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2017, 07:24:26 AM »
(Some) People talk about wanting to pay players. They already get paid in the form of a scholarship, which includes tuition, academic assistance, training, housing, food and, now, cost of attendance.

Focus on the last five items in that list. There is the penalty for abandoning your responsibilities and for abandoning your teammates.

Actions have consequences. Welcome to reality.
Maybe, but shouldn't there be some consequences for schools enjoying the largess of off the work of their players while refusing to share the profits? 

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Re: Players skipping bowl games
« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2017, 07:55:04 AM »
I like the idea of letting redshirts play in the bowl.  

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Re: Players skipping bowl games
« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2017, 08:09:07 AM »
this is the best idea I've heard ITT. Redshirts should absolutely be allowed to play in bowl games and not count towards their eligibility. Problem solved.
Guys looking to go to NFL are protected, young guys in need of playing time and experience get it. Win win all around.
I kind of like it, but my issue is what is the point of letting them play if you don't play them?  Then it really turns into an NFL preseason game, where you are exclusively using it to run the 2s and 3s out there to get a look at them, and I don't have a ton of interest in that.

I still don't see how MSU-LSU in a Citrus Bowl is any more of an "exhibition" than MSU-Rutgers was last weekend?  Or truly how UM-OSU was for the Michigan players?  You are playing for nothing other than pride, and the fact that it counts on your record.  Again, I can't blame the players.  The point isn't to blame the players or figure out how to stop them, but how to make this work for fans.  People keep saying nobody is watching those lower tier bowls anyway.  Well (a) Yes, enough people are that they are profitable enough to keep expanding; and (b) Fournette sat out the Citrus Bowl last year.  If the Citrus Bowl is "lower tier" than what isn't?  Just the NY6 games?

I honestly enjoy the bowls.  I don't much watch the mid-major matchups, but if 6-6 Texas and 7-5 Arizona are playing in the Cactus Bowl, I'm watching that, and while we call them "exhibitions" we play them like they are real games, and I don't want to lose that.  I fear that's what will happen with the redshirt rule.

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Re: Players skipping bowl games
« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2017, 10:00:42 AM »
(Some) People talk about wanting to pay players. They already get paid in the form of a scholarship, which includes tuition, academic assistance, training, housing, food and, now, cost of attendance.

Focus on the last five items in that list. There is the penalty for abandoning your responsibilities and for abandoning your teammates.

Actions have consequences. Welcome to reality.
NYT or maybe Forbes did a break down of what each scholarship player was worth to some of the top programs.

It was $500,000+ and up. Per player, per year. Their scholarship, room & board, meal allowance, and the tiny little stipend they get comes nowhere close to $500,000+ a year.

And let's get real- some players that are absolute fan favorites and stars like Manziel was at A&M or Denard at Michigan or Barkley is at Penn State are worth more than that average. Can't tell you how many jerseys Robinson sold- when he was playing seems like every Michigan fan in the world bought a #16 jersey- and the team sucked ass every year he played at Michigan except one.

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Re: Players skipping bowl games
« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2017, 10:02:43 AM »
I like the idea of letting redshirts play in the bowl.  
Agree, that's a good idea.  It doesn't solve the problem of players not playing in the bowl, but it does mitigate the distaste somewhat.

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Re: Players skipping bowl games
« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2017, 10:13:32 AM »
NYT or maybe Forbes did a break down of what each scholarship player was worth to some of the top programs.

It was $500,000+ and up. Per player, per year. Their scholarship, room & board, meal allowance, and the tiny little stipend they get comes nowhere close to $500,000+ a year.
but the free training, experience and national exposure make up a significant chunk of that difference.

and projected worth is very subjective, especially concerning values of intangibles like scholarships and training, etc.


i like the idea of redshirts playing though.
and whoever said they don't owe the schools/program anything, i disagree. both the schools and the athletes invest a ton into each other, why should one side be able to back out for sake of their payday at the expense of the other?

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Re: Players skipping bowl games
« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2017, 11:23:51 AM »
utee... I'll watch a crappy Texas team.  =)

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Re: Players skipping bowl games
« Reply #25 on: November 29, 2017, 11:27:31 AM »
So will I.

Mainly because there's a better than even chance they end up playing my slightly less crappy Aggies in said bowl game.

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Re: Players skipping bowl games
« Reply #26 on: November 29, 2017, 11:28:32 AM »
utee... I'll watch a crappy Texas team.  =)
You've had plenty of opportunity over the past 8 seasons that's for sure.  

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Re: Players skipping bowl games
« Reply #27 on: November 29, 2017, 11:37:04 AM »
btw.. back on topic.  It's sad when players skip bowl games.   UNL's entire team is skipping this year, and it doesn't make me happy. 

 

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