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Topic: Phil Steele's Top 25

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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #112 on: July 20, 2023, 09:35:08 AM »
Ohio State didn't play when TCU lost.  I don't think they got the rankings wrong at the time.  It can be second guessed, but TCU did beat UM.
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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #113 on: July 20, 2023, 02:30:35 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on July 20, 2023, 07:59:42 AM
I would have liked to see Washington play Oklahoma in 2000.
Not Miami? 
Not Oregon St?
Not VA Tech?
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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #114 on: July 20, 2023, 02:31:39 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 20, 2023, 09:35:08 AM
Ohio State didn't play when TCU lost.  I don't think they got the rankings wrong at the time.  It can be second guessed, but TCU did beat UM.
If TCU can lose to KSU in its last game of the regular season and it not matter at all, then why play the game?
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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #115 on: July 20, 2023, 02:32:38 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 20, 2023, 02:30:35 PM
Not Miami?
Not Oregon St?
Not VA Tech?
Washington beat Miami already that year.
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« Reply #116 on: July 20, 2023, 02:34:48 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on July 20, 2023, 02:32:38 PM
Washington beat Miami already that year.
But Miami beat FSU....
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« Reply #117 on: July 20, 2023, 02:41:30 PM »
And Washington beat 11-1 Oregon State.

Miami smashed Virginia Tech at home. Barely beat FSU at home. 

I think Washington had the better resume than FSU, but FSU had the "oh shucks" HC.
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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #118 on: July 20, 2023, 03:28:55 PM »
UW had 7 one-score wins.  They simply didn't impress anyone.
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« Reply #119 on: July 20, 2023, 03:33:39 PM »
They played a lot of good teams. FSU waltzed through the ACC. Best win was over 10-3 Florida (10-2 before the bowl game against Miami - and Miami smashed the Gators).
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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #120 on: July 20, 2023, 03:36:09 PM »
Beat 3-8 CU by 3.
Beat 6-6 ASU by 6.
Beat 5-6 Stanford by 3.
Beat 5-6 Arizona by 3.
Beat 6-6 UCLA by 7.

What are you talking about???
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« Reply #121 on: July 20, 2023, 03:38:10 PM »
PAC was tougher than the ACC is what I'm talking about.
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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #122 on: July 20, 2023, 03:48:04 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on July 19, 2023, 10:12:04 AM
Agreed, and what I don't like about it is that it takes away the "every game matters" feel that our sport had in the past, for example:In the 4-team CFP era, the BCS era, or the pre-BCS era that 10-3 Alabama team is not in the NC conversation. In a 12-team format they have a solid chance to win. Just so @rolltidefan knows, that isn't to pick on Bama, it is the same for all the helmets.
this is twice now this week that you've presented unrealistic and unfathomably horrible "scenarios".

(agreed)
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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #123 on: July 20, 2023, 04:43:08 PM »
Quote from: rolltidefan on July 20, 2023, 03:48:04 PM
this is twice now this week that you've presented unrealistic and unfathomably horrible "scenarios".

(agreed)
That wasn't my scenario, it was @Cincydawg .

Anyway, what I really don't like about it is that for a lot of our teams, if they lose three games against their best three opponents, who did they beat?

Looking at last year:
Ohio State:
Their best three opponents were Michigan, Penn State, and Notre Dame who finished 13-1, 11-2, and 9-4. If they lose those three and go 9-3 their best wins are over 8-5 Iowa and Maryland teams. That is a decent season but nowhere close to great and, in my view, not close to NC worthy.

Alabama:
Their best three opponents were Tennessee, LSU, and MissSt who finished 11-2, 10-4, and 9-4. If they lose those three and go 9-3 their best wins are over 8-5 Ole Miss and Texas teams. That is a decent season but nowhere close to great and, in my view, not close to NC worthy.

Michigan:
Their best two opponents were tOSU and PSU who each finished 11-2. After that it is either Purdue (finished 8-6) or an 8-5 pick-em of Iowa, Illinois, or Maryland. Same as tOSU/Bama.

Georgia:
Their best three opponents were Tennessee, Oregon, and MissSt who finished 11-2, 10-3, and 9-4. If they lose those three and finish 9-3 their best win is over 8-5 USCe. Same as tOSU/Bama/M.
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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #124 on: July 20, 2023, 04:54:31 PM »
I think all of us here agree that there are not 12 NC worthy teams any given season

“Deserves got nothing to do with it.”


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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #125 on: July 20, 2023, 04:57:01 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on July 20, 2023, 03:38:10 PM
PAC was tougher than the ACC is what I'm talking about.
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 20, 2023, 03:36:09 PM
Beat 3-8 CU by 3.
Beat 6-6 ASU by 6.
Beat 5-6 Stanford by 3.
Beat 5-6 Arizona by 3.
Beat 6-6 UCLA by 7.

What are you talking about???

FSU beat the shit out of 6-6 UNC.
Beat the shit out of 6-6 UL.
Beat the shit out of 6-6 UVA.
Beat the shit out of ranked NCST.
Beat the shit out of #10 Clemson.
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Miami beat the shit out of 7-5 WV.
Beat the shit out of #2 VT.
Beat the shit out of 7-5 Pitt.
Beat the shit out of 6-5 SU.
Beat the shit out of 7-5 BC.
.
FSU, Miami, and Warshington played a lot of average teams.  FSU and Miami beat the hell out of them and UW barely scraped by.
That matters.
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