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Topic: Phil Steele's Top 25

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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #84 on: July 19, 2023, 04:20:47 PM »
Do you think it will be harder to win an NC with the 12 than it is now?
not if you're in the top 4
might even be easier than last season because your get a week off to heal up and scout the opponent
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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #85 on: July 19, 2023, 04:22:28 PM »
It's an extra game!  Versus someone who can beat you!
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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #86 on: July 19, 2023, 04:23:50 PM »
Yeah, that's an important distinction.  You would have one additional game to win of course.  I was thinking more of the folks who would otherwise not make the CFP because they are not in the top 4.  So, in general, for a solid program, more likely to win an NC or less?

I lean to less likely overall, but then I think of some good Dawg teams who fell just short of getting into a playoff of any kind.

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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #87 on: July 19, 2023, 04:24:20 PM »
It's an extra game!  Versus someone who can beat you!
Yes, and it's also an extra chance for 5-12.

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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #88 on: July 19, 2023, 04:32:25 PM »
It affords 7 more teams with a chance, today their chance would be zero.  It also means you have to win more games.  I THINK for teams that generally end up 5-12 season after season, it's obviously a better shot, even if not by much.  But then, the might also have a good year and be a conference champ (think PSU).

Consider a team that hypothetically ends up ranked 8 year after year after year, their chances obviously are better, maybe it's only 1%.  They have to beat 10 each time and then beat 4 then 2 then 1.  For them, it's a better chance, low though it really is.

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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #89 on: July 19, 2023, 04:36:38 PM »
It's an extra game!  Versus someone who can beat you!

Umm, that's a facepalm, not shaking one's head. 

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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #90 on: July 19, 2023, 04:38:14 PM »
It's an extra game!  Versus someone who can beat you!

sorry, it's an extra game
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« Reply #91 on: July 19, 2023, 04:47:54 PM »
Umm, that's a facepalm, not shaking one's head.
Smack my head?
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« Reply #92 on: July 19, 2023, 04:48:34 PM »
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« Reply #93 on: July 19, 2023, 04:50:02 PM »
With the margin of victory removed from the computer rankings in the BCS, Colorado could have beaten Nebraska 82-6 and the Huskers would have still been ranked #2.
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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #94 on: July 19, 2023, 04:51:51 PM »
So an OSU-KU title game in 07 and LSU-OKST in 2011 would have staved off the cheapening of the regular season?
I think everyone just needs to understand and accept that 2007 was just a weird year. All year it felt like teams were trying to avoid high rankings:
  • In week1 Texas dropped from 4-7 for barely beating ArSt
  • In week2 Wisconsin dropped from 5-7 for barely beating UNLV
  • In week3 Louisville dropped from 9-18 for losing to Kentucky
Then the fun really got started.

Heading into the bowls Ohio State and Kansas were the only two major conference teams with less than two losses. From that information it would seem that Kansas should have played Ohio State in the CG but there were issues with Kansas:
  • They played a hilariously bad OOC of an FCS team, two mediocre MAC teams, and FIU. All four of those games were at home.
  • They lucked into missing the best three teams in the B12-S (OU, TX, TxTech) and instead played the three worst (Baylor, aTm, OkSU).
  • The one and only decent team that Kansas played all year (Mizzou) beat them.
  • Kansas also had multiple one-score wins over mediocre and bad teams.
  • Kansas' best win was either aTm or OkSU and they both finished around .500.
  • Kansas didn't win their division (Mizzou).
  • Kansas didn't win their league (Oklahoma).


Ohio State was obvious and LSU was the best of the horde of 2-loss teams.

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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #95 on: July 19, 2023, 04:52:29 PM »
So, imagine a good program, think maybe Clemson or Penn State,  over a decade they finish the regular season ranked as follows:

8  9  6  3  11  5  15  2  8 10

Do they have a better shot with 12 or with 4?  Tough to compute, I think.

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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #96 on: July 19, 2023, 04:55:02 PM »
My favorite part of this year was TCU losing the CCG to K-State and not moving down one spot!  To avoid a rematch!  
At that point, they're no longer rankings!
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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #97 on: July 19, 2023, 04:55:09 PM »
Smack my head?
I've always heard SMH is "shaking my head". 

Although sometimes a facepalm can be accompanied by an SMH...



 

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