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Topic: Phil Steele's Top 25

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Hawkinole

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Phil Steele's Top 25
« on: July 08, 2023, 11:24:33 PM »
  • Georgia
  • Clemson
  • Michigan
  • Alabama
  • Ohio St
  • Penn St
  • USC
  • Florida St
  • LSU
  • Notre Dame
  • Texas
  • Texas A & M
  • Wisconsin
  • Washington
  • Oregon
  • Utah
  • Iowa
  • Oregon St
  • Tennessee
  • Oklahoma
  • North Carolina
  • Toledo
  • Pitt
  • UTSA
  • TCU

First Top 25 I have seen with Iowa in it, and he comments it is one of his surprise teams with a chance to win the Big Ten. My comment is that would be very dependent on Iowa finding an offensive line, and so far there is little evidence Iowa has one.

Now I see ESPN and Adam Rittenburg pegged Iowa at #20 in their "future power rankings."
« Last Edit: July 08, 2023, 11:34:38 PM by Hawkinole »

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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2023, 01:29:50 AM »
  • Georgia
  • Clemson
  • Michigan
  • Alabama
  • Ohio St
  • Penn St
If this is correct (big if), then the B1G-E is a wicked tough division!

In the event that the three listed above all go 1-1 against each other and win the rest of their league games the relevant tiebreaker would be the cumulative record of their crossover opponents. Those are:
Michigan:
  • Nebraska
  • Minnesota
  • Purdue
Ohio State:
  • Purdue
  • Wisconsin
  • Minnesota
Penn State:
  • Illinois
  • Iowa
  • Northwestern
I think that likely favors tOSU.


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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2023, 01:36:47 AM »
Medina,
You think of things mortals don't think of -- but if the Top 3 Big Ten East teams go 1-1 against each other, I agree with your analysis.

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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2023, 03:19:01 AM »
Medina,
You think of things mortals don't think of -- but if the Top 3 Big Ten East teams go 1-1 against each other, I agree with your analysis.
LoL, thanks.

Of course it isn't very likely that things actually will work out that way but it isn't an altogether outlandish possibility either.

Games between the five B1G teams ranked in Phil Steele's top-25:
  • 9/23 #17 Iowa at #6 Penn State
  • 10/14 #17 Iowa at #13 Wisconsin
  • 10/21 #6 Penn State at #5 Ohio State
  • 10/28 #5 Ohio State at #13 Wisconsin
  • 11/11 #3 Michigan at #6 Penn State
  • 11/25 #5 Ohio State at #3 Michigan

Toughest schedules:
  • Ohio State: Three games against top-25, 1 H, 2 A
  • Penn State: Three games against top-25, 2 H, 1 A
  • Iowa: Two games against top-25, both away
  • Michigan: Two games against top-25, 1 H, 1 A
  • Wisconsin: Two games against top-25, both home

There is an argument that Iowa's schedule is tougher than Penn State's because the Hawkeyes have two road games against ranked teams while the Nittany Lions only have one.

Potential trap games:
For Ohio State I'd say at Purdue on 10/14 because it is immediately prior to back-to-back games against PSU/UW and also because Purdue has an uncanny history of upsetting Ohio State.

For Penn State I'd say at Maryland the week before hosting Michigan.

For Iowa I'd say the home game against Purdue the week before traveling to Madison.

For Michigan it is obvious, the trip to Maryland sandwiched between games against PSU and tOSU.

For Wisconsin it is obvious, the trip to Illinois sandwiched between games against Iowa and tOSU.

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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2023, 08:54:46 AM »
I think the trio of PSU/OSU/UM could very well end up top ten, one might win it all obv.  These rankings always seem to find spots for NS/Texas/A&M (lately).  And we all know the final top 25 won't look a lot like that anyway once you get past about 5 or so.

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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2023, 08:59:18 AM »
When did the Beavers get good? 
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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2023, 09:12:43 AM »
when Mike Riley left  :91:
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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2023, 09:15:29 AM »
TCU at #25?

I guess since Texas and Oklahoma are going to bounce back, there's no room for the defending Big 12 champs (KState) with their returning QB
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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2023, 09:17:01 AM »
KSU is a solid bet I think for a team to finish pretty well.

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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2023, 09:18:41 AM »
perhaps the Cyclones will bounce back and upset the Kitties instead of the Horns or Sooners
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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2023, 11:56:44 AM »
perhaps the Cyclones will bounce back and upset the Kitties instead of the Horns or Sooners
we should be so lucky

I think the trio of PSU/OSU/UM could very well end up top ten, one might win it all obv.  These rankings always seem to find spots for NS/Texas/A&M (lately).  And we all know the final top 25 won't look a lot like that anyway once you get past about 5 or so.
I don't disagree, our helmetosity usually gets us overranked in the preseason, but Texas DID finish in the Top 25 last year.  We return the QB, oline, and most skill positions, although we do lose a fantastic RB.  The defense should be same or better as well.  I don't think we're Top 12 material but somewhere between 20-25 sounds about right.

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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2023, 12:06:17 PM »
Good points about Texas.  I haven't looked at their schedule, I know if they handle Alabama they could be on the road to a really good season.

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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2023, 12:10:43 PM »
that could be said for any team with Bama on the sched
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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2023, 12:12:59 PM »
that could be said for any team with Bama on the sched
It could be, but I doubt it would be for some of their opponents.  An "Ole Miss" could upset them and still finish 8-5.

 

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