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Topic: Phil Steele's Top 25

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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #98 on: July 19, 2023, 04:56:07 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 19, 2023, 04:52:29 PM
So, imagine a good program, think maybe Clemson or Penn State,  over a decade they finish the regular season ranked as follows:

8  9  6  3  11  5  15  2  8 10

Do they have a better shot with 12 or with 4?  Tough to compute, I think.
Well, with 4, that team has eight zeroes, so it's pretty easy to compute.
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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #99 on: July 19, 2023, 04:59:39 PM »
Sure, that's my point, 8 zeros today, 8 slight chances tomorrow.  On the other hand, the two shots today in the 12 scenarios have a lower probability of winning out.
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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #100 on: July 19, 2023, 05:04:30 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 19, 2023, 04:55:02 PM
My favorite part of this year was TCU losing the CCG to K-State and not moving down one spot!  To avoid a rematch! 
At that point, they're no longer rankings!
Honestly, that was unfair to Georgia. 

The Bulldogs had the most impressive regular season and should have gotten the easiest Semi-final. Everyone knew that was TCU but nobody wanted a tOSU/M rematch in the other Semi-final so UGA got screwed. Didn't matter, they won anyway. 
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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #101 on: July 19, 2023, 05:09:24 PM »
Things would be okay, if not for these higher-ups wanting to diddle with everything.  
Let's use computers in the BCS....but let's drastically alter their formulas!
Let's have a playoff.....but let's avoid rematches at all costs!
They'll screw up something else in the 12-team playoff, guaranteed.
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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #102 on: July 19, 2023, 05:12:10 PM »
They will get second guessed yes
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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #103 on: July 19, 2023, 05:22:43 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 19, 2023, 04:55:02 PM
My favorite part of this year was TCU losing the CCG to K-State and not moving down one spot!  To avoid a rematch! 
At that point, they're no longer rankings!
this has been going on forever

I don't like it

Ohio St. didn't play michigan either
why does everyone hate rematches?
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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #104 on: July 19, 2023, 05:24:50 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 19, 2023, 04:50:02 PM
With the margin of victory removed from the computer rankings in the BCS, Colorado could have beaten Nebraska 82-6 and the Huskers would have still been ranked #2.
yup, not the Husker's fault

wasn't another more worthy team that season

wouldn't have mattered, that Cane team would have beaten any of them
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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #105 on: July 19, 2023, 06:29:32 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on July 19, 2023, 05:22:43 PM

why does everyone hate rematches?
Because we've already seen those two teams play and it's a lot more fun to see different teams play?

Just spitballin' here.
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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #106 on: July 19, 2023, 06:46:22 PM »
Plus, rematches only leave things settled when one team wins both games.  If they split, then they're on even ground.  Except that in college football, WHEN you lost was of extreme importance.  So the winner of the rematch benefits the most.
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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #107 on: July 19, 2023, 07:12:40 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on July 19, 2023, 05:22:43 PM
why does everyone hate rematches?
Depends on the circumstances.

For example, the BCS was by nature VERY exclusionary. 2 teams get a shot. Which likely means that a worthy team is being excluded.

Think of 2011. 

LSU was 13-0. Of course they get into the BCSCG. 

Behind LSU, you had three teams knotted at 11-1. Alabama (who had already lost to LSU on the field, in Tuscaloosa), Oklahoma State, and Stanford. 

Now, you can make the argument that Alabama had the strongest loss of the 11-1 teams. But you can also make the argument that having lost to LSU on their home field in Tuscaloosa, we already "knew" that LSU was better. So why not give one of the other 11-1 teams a shot? We *don't* know if either of those teams is better than LSU. 

In that case I didn't like a rematch. 

In a 12-team playoff? Rematches will be inevitable. But that's okay, because you can make the argument that all worthy teams (and a few unworthy teams) are in the field, so regardless of who plays who, and when, the cream should rise to the top. 
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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #108 on: July 19, 2023, 09:33:26 PM »
That 9-6 game was an overtime game, so they basically played to a tie.  
Both of 2007 LSU's losses were in overtime as well.  
I think that mattered in the eyes of the voters.
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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #109 on: July 20, 2023, 05:12:54 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 19, 2023, 09:33:26 PM
That 9-6 game was an overtime game, so they basically played to a tie. 
Both of 2007 LSU's losses were in overtime as well. 
I think that mattered in the eyes of the voters.
In addition to the two losses being in OT, that LSU had EASILY the best SoS of the 2-loss teams:
  • They played in a tough conference. 
  • They made the CCG so that was an extra tough game.
  • They flat obliterated ACC Champion VaTech OOC.


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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #110 on: July 20, 2023, 07:59:42 AM »
I would have liked to see Washington play Oklahoma in 2000.
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Re: Phil Steele's Top 25
« Reply #111 on: July 20, 2023, 08:44:40 AM »
rematches in basketball
multiple games in baseball

I think two Ohio St./ Michigan games last year would have been grand

they earned it
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