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Topic: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread

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Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
« Reply #42 on: June 20, 2020, 11:38:18 AM »

https://twitter.com/BillPlaschke/status/1274075534528376832

"The document, reviewed by the Los Angeles Times late Thursday, asserts that players do not trust UCLA to act in their best interest, particularly in regard to their health, a realm where it says the school has “perpetually failed us,” citing “neglected and mismanaged injury cases.” The document does not provide examples.

The players demanded that a “third-party health official” be on hand for all football activities to see that protocols for COVID-19 prevention are being followed; that anonymous whistleblower protections are provided for athletes and staff to report violations; and that each player can make a decision about whether to come back to Westwood without fear of losing his scholarship or other retaliation."


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https://twitter.com/DoriansTweets/status/1274085697335390208

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Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
« Reply #44 on: June 26, 2020, 02:03:35 PM »
There is plenty of good talent in California alone to build national champions level teams each year.    Schools across the country still recruit the west coast for a reason...  I see a couple issues with west coast talent/PAC10 schools:   

1)  The universities in the PAC10 have not kept up with investments... in coaches, support staff, etc.  The best leave or take jobs in other locations.  

2)  California seems obsessed with 7x7 camps.   Not sure those are the best way to develop football players.   I do believe the kids in the trenches are not as developed as those in the south (technique wise..)

3)  In the 90's kids who came from Cali to UNL were some of the most successful in the program.  Recently, they have brought a lot of attitude and not as much work.   Not sure if that is more of "who" UNL recruited or a change in expectations by kids out of HS.    I'd be interested in hearing if that is more universal.   I just have this sense that HS rules in California are setting a different expectation on hard work compared to kids from other parts of the country.   Again, it could be who riley recruited...

4)  Sports are an "and" on the west coast.  They frankly have more things to do that a kid growing up in Iowa.   I hated that comments when people said "there is nothing to do in Nebraska" but there are fewer distractions.  It is much easier to stay dedicated.

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Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
« Reply #45 on: June 26, 2020, 03:15:58 PM »
Riley probably recruited soft kids, he certainly had soft practices and everything about the program was soft.

yes, let's shift the nothing to do state to Iowa
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Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
« Reply #46 on: June 29, 2020, 11:27:09 AM »
There is plenty of good talent in California alone to build national champions level teams each year.    Schools across the country still recruit the west coast for a reason...  I see a couple issues with west coast talent/PAC10 schools: 

1)  The universities in the PAC10 have not kept up with investments... in coaches, support staff, etc.  The best leave or take jobs in other locations. 

2)  California seems obsessed with 7x7 camps.  Not sure those are the best way to develop football players.  I do believe the kids in the trenches are not as developed as those in the south (technique wise..)

3)  In the 90's kids who came from Cali to UNL were some of the most successful in the program.  Recently, they have brought a lot of attitude and not as much work.  Not sure if that is more of "who" UNL recruited or a change in expectations by kids out of HS.    I'd be interested in hearing if that is more universal.  I just have this sense that HS rules in California are setting a different expectation on hard work compared to kids from other parts of the country.  Again, it could be who riley recruited...

4)  Sports are an "and" on the west coast.  They frankly have more things to do that a kid growing up in Iowa.  I hated that comments when people said "there is nothing to do in Nebraska" but there are fewer distractions.  It is much easier to stay dedicated.

Running back and to a lesser extent talent along the lines has dropped out west. As of late, schools like Utah, Washington, Oregon, and Stanford have fielded excellent OL/DLs, but I could see a day where across the conference the their trenches will become completely mismatched Vs the Big Ten and SEC.

Rather than to say there's more to do out west, and that's why football is an "and" I like to think of it as high school football is completely drowned out by everything else. Nobody out west makes room for it in their head. Of those who go to high school games, nobody really appreciates that the senior left guard is committed UCLA and the junior WR already has three Pac 12 offers. But in Texas, Iowa, Oklahoma, any of those midwest or southern states, you better believe just about everyone in the stands knows that the all-conference DE has an offers from Missouri and Oklahoma St and that scouts from Texas and Iowa are watching in the stands.

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Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
« Reply #47 on: July 08, 2020, 02:45:46 PM »
This just in...


https://twitter.com/GoStanford/status/1280909778076577792

"As you may know, Stanford currently offers more varsity sports than nearly every other Division I university in the nation. Our goal is to provide excellent support and a world-class experience for our student-athletes in the sports that we offer. Over time, however, providing 36 varsity teams with the level of support that they deserve has become a serious and growing financial challenge.

"In that context, we are writing today with some extremely difficult news. In consultation with the Board of Trustees, we have made the decision to reduce the breadth of our athletics programs and staffing. Stanford will discontinue 11 of our varsity sports programs at the conclusion of the 2020-21 academic year: men’s and women’s fencing, field hockey, lightweight rowing, men’s rowing, co-ed and women’s sailing, squash, synchronized swimming, men’s volleyball and wrestling. All of these teams will have the opportunity to compete in their upcoming 2020-21 seasons, should the circumstances surrounding COVID-19 allow it, before they are discontinued at the varsity level. Regretfully, 20 of our support staff positions are being eliminated as part of this realignment."

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Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
« Reply #48 on: July 26, 2020, 10:33:47 PM »

https://twitter.com/azcsports/status/1287512786365485058

Arizona State men's and women's swimmers will redshirt rather than compete during the 2020-21 school year, a creative idea by Hall of Fame coach Bob Bowman to deal with uncertainties created by the coronavirus pandemic.

Bowman, ASU's swim coach since 2015, suggested the idea after ASU Vice President for Athletics Ray Anderson challenged his staff to find ways to emerge stronger once the pandemic is under control, presumably with a vaccine.

"I started thinking how can we do that, and this is what I came up with," Bowman said. "We lost NCAA championship and they didn't get another season. In my mind, it is unacceptable to risk having that happen again. That just would not work for these kids we spent so long recruiting.

"With all the uncertainty going on around everything, it just makes sense to me that we could give everybody a year to rebuild, get into a training mode, focus on preparing for next summer's (Olympic) trials and carry that into the next season."

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Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
« Reply #49 on: July 26, 2020, 11:20:48 PM »
There is plenty of good talent in California alone to build national champions level teams each year.    Schools across the country still recruit the west coast for a reason...  I see a couple issues with west coast talent/PAC10 schools: 

1)  The universities in the PAC10 have not kept up with investments... in coaches, support staff, etc.  The best leave or take jobs in other locations. 

2)  California seems obsessed with 7x7 camps.  Not sure those are the best way to develop football players.  I do believe the kids in the trenches are not as developed as those in the south (technique wise..)

3)  In the 90's kids who came from Cali to UNL were some of the most successful in the program.  Recently, they have brought a lot of attitude and not as much work.  Not sure if that is more of "who" UNL recruited or a change in expectations by kids out of HS.    I'd be interested in hearing if that is more universal.  I just have this sense that HS rules in California are setting a different expectation on hard work compared to kids from other parts of the country.  Again, it could be who riley recruited...

4)  Sports are an "and" on the west coast.  They frankly have more things to do that a kid growing up in Iowa.  I hated that comments when people said "there is nothing to do in Nebraska" but there are fewer distractions.  It is much easier to stay dedicated.
So I kinda disagree with all of these to varying degrees. With the talent part, that's true, but it's also a state with at least three times as many people as 46 of the other states. But it's also surrounded by more talent poor states, which makes it saturated in recruiters, much like Atlanta. 

1. The argument about investments in perhaps in part the case, but I think it's also a set of departments that have all had their run of issues. USC has bumbled at the top for a while, despite pole position, and stumbling into Carroll covered a lot of ills. UCLA has been mostly OK with occasional bursts of pretty good. Cal is most often a mess, and Stanford is a private school that had been above its station for a while. Now some of all that I think ties into point 4, because there's less insane boosters pouring in money and demanding crazy things, which is weirdly a net good most often. There's no one to be mad you're fumbling around. 

2. I live in the south. We're drowning in 7-on-7 teams. Florida is full up of them. They go to their things, linemen go to their camps. It's a good tool because practice tends to feed into games, and throwing is a skill that is super hard to build in games on lower levels. There may be some problems, but the 7-on-7s probably have little to do with it. (It's been a while since I looked into HS football in CA, but it used to strike me as more I-form/pro-style heavy than other places, though by now, the spread is probably king most everywhere)

3. Guessing that's selection bias. The kids you can get to come to 90s Nebraska were probably different than the ones Riley could sneak out. And he was already used to sneaking out second-tier guys at OSU. 

4. This might be true, and it's certianly not a cultural staple the same way, though it's not like the west doesn't produce gobs of players. 

The one thing I think is underrated is TV. Every game a P5 plays is to some degree national. For all but one conference, you should be able to get every game on at least an iPad anywhere. If you look at Clemson the last year a Western team won a title, they had three ESPN/ESPN2 games. One TBS (?). Three ABC, which I’m thinking was more regional than national, but occasionally national. Two Jefferson Pilot (regional). Two not on TV. If I live in Sacramento like one of their five-stars, I’m getting 5-6 out of 11 maybe. The only conference with an issue it the Pac-12, which you can solve with the right provider, but is more of a pain in the ass.

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Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
« Reply #50 on: July 27, 2020, 09:19:13 AM »

https://twitter.com/azcsports/status/1287512786365485058

Arizona State men's and women's swimmers will redshirt rather than compete during the 2020-21 school year, a creative idea by Hall of Fame coach Bob Bowman to deal with uncertainties created by the coronavirus pandemic.

Bowman, ASU's swim coach since 2015, suggested the idea after ASU Vice President for Athletics Ray Anderson challenged his staff to find ways to emerge stronger once the pandemic is under control, presumably with a vaccine.

"I started thinking how can we do that, and this is what I came up with," Bowman said. "We lost NCAA championship and they didn't get another season. In my mind, it is unacceptable to risk having that happen again. That just would not work for these kids we spent so long recruiting.

"With all the uncertainty going on around everything, it just makes sense to me that we could give everybody a year to rebuild, get into a training mode, focus on preparing for next summer's (Olympic) trials and carry that into the next season."

Big win for any ASU student who wants to try and walk on the swim team.

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Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
« Reply #51 on: July 27, 2020, 10:37:10 AM »
There is plenty of good talent in California alone to build national champions level teams each year.    Schools across the country still recruit the west coast for a reason...  I see a couple issues with west coast talent/PAC10 schools: 

1)  The universities in the PAC10 have not kept up with investments... in coaches, support staff, etc.  The best leave or take jobs in other locations. 

2)  California seems obsessed with 7x7 camps.  Not sure those are the best way to develop football players.  I do believe the kids in the trenches are not as developed as those in the south (technique wise..)

3)  In the 90's kids who came from Cali to UNL were some of the most successful in the program.  Recently, they have brought a lot of attitude and not as much work.  Not sure if that is more of "who" UNL recruited or a change in expectations by kids out of HS.    I'd be interested in hearing if that is more universal.  I just have this sense that HS rules in California are setting a different expectation on hard work compared to kids from other parts of the country.  Again, it could be who riley recruited...

4)  Sports are an "and" on the west coast.  They frankly have more things to do that a kid growing up in Iowa.  I hated that comments when people said "there is nothing to do in Nebraska" but there are fewer distractions.  It is much easier to stay dedicated.
7x7 is big in Texas too. And it seems that fewer top OL and DL prospects are coming from the Lone Star State these days.
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Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
« Reply #53 on: August 08, 2020, 12:52:44 PM »
Bad news out of UCLA, plus Chip Kelly has the virus too.


https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1291134029115396097

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Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
« Reply #55 on: August 11, 2020, 07:23:13 PM »
Then what the hell was the Pac 12 prepping for playing games without fans for all these years?

 

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