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Topic: P5 Alignment - post NCAA Membership

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utee94

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Re: P5 Alignment - post NCAA Membership
« Reply #70 on: March 14, 2018, 12:36:07 AM »
Well, Nebraska had been trying to get into the Big Ten since at least 1903, and it jumped at its first real chance.

So, there's that, combined with its supposed desire to not be with Texas anymore.

We could do a lot of what-ifs on this thing (it's offseason).

Take the old Big 8 and add BYU, Utah and Texas A&M.

Take the Pac 10 and add Texas. Seems to me that UT had explored that in the past, and as recently as this decade.
Colorado wanted the PAC decades ago, duing the old B8 years and long before the B12 was formed, yet your awkward alignments are forcing them back into a conference they haven't wanted since Ike was president.
Doesn't really sound like you're paying much attention to anything other than your own personal B1G biases.
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Re: P5 Alignment - post NCAA Membership
« Reply #71 on: March 14, 2018, 12:40:33 AM »
This conversation (while enjoyable) is starting to sound like the meeting on the side of the road in the It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World when nearly the entire ensemble cast (Rooney, Berle, Winters, Cesar, Hackett, etc.) are arguing over how to split the $250Gs and they cast the scorn towards Ethel Merman's character (the old bag).

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Which is most certainly, only exactly and precisely what conference realigment has been since it started over 100 years ago.
Same as it ever was.

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« Reply #72 on: March 14, 2018, 06:35:05 AM »
badger's far-fetched ideas sounds fun.  Your far-fectched idea sounds like a boring NFL-lite.  No thanks.
He dumped Baylor man.
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Re: P5 Alignment - post NCAA Membership
« Reply #73 on: March 14, 2018, 07:03:56 AM »
I'd settle for 10 team conferences. Otherwise you lose too much history

The B1G, SEC and PAC would have the most to lose by going with less than 10, let alone 8 or 9.

Those 3 conferences have had the most stability over the years - one since 1896, which spans 3 different centuries. Who ya gonna drop to get to 8?

So let's look at 6 conferences with 10 schools each. Not much work to do with the Pac-10, Big Ten or SEC.
Big Ten

Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Michigan
Michigan State
Minnesota
Northwestern
Ohio State
Purdue
Wisconsin

SEC:

Alabama
Auburn
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
Louisiana State
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Tennessee
Vanderbilt

PAC:

Arizona
Arizona State
California
Oregon
Oregon State
Southern California
Stanford
UCLA
Washington
Washington State

Big 8

Brigham Young
Colorado
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
Missouri
Nebraska
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Utah

Eastern Conference

Boston College
Connecticut
Miami
Notre Dame
Penn State
Rutgers
Syracuse
Virginia Tech
West Virginia
Temple

ACC:

Clemson
Duke
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Maryland
North Carolina
North Carolina State
South Carolina
Virginia
Wake Forest

Big Southwest

Arkansas
Houston
Rice
Southern Methodist
Texas
Texas A&M
Texas Christian
Texas Tech

Need two more

Louisville? Cincy? Memphis? New Mexico? Not Baylor?
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Re: P5 Alignment - post NCAA Membership
« Reply #74 on: March 14, 2018, 10:44:05 AM »
I like the 8-team conferences, which allows for lots of out-of-conference match ups. Seven guarantees, leaves room for a couple of out-of-conference rivalry games, and still a few more wild cards OOCs (on a 12 game schedule). And the playoff is conference champs only, nice and clean.

Since we're splitting revenue anyway, flexibility is good, but so is order.
we are almost there with 16-team conferences in 2 divisions
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« Reply #75 on: March 14, 2018, 10:46:09 AM »
I'd settle for 10 team conferences. Otherwise you lose too much history

The B1G, SEC and PAC would have the most to lose by going with less than 10, let alone 8 or 9.

Those 3 conferences have had the most stability over the years - one since 1896, which spans 3 different centuries. Who ya gonna drop to get to 8?

So let's look at 6 conferences with 10 schools each. Not much work to do with the Pac-10, Big Ten or SEC.
yes, add the Horns and Aggies to the old Big 8 and we are there
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« Reply #76 on: March 14, 2018, 10:58:44 AM »
yes, add the Horns and Aggies to the old Big 8 and we are there
What do you then do with Utah, Arky and Texas Tech? No to mention TCU, BYU, etc.

If you're doing 10 school conferences, there are several current P5's who would get squeezed out.

'Fro has proposed dropping schools like ISU and others. Don't look now, but ISU is getting serious about its program.
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« Reply #77 on: March 14, 2018, 11:17:41 AM »
What do you then do with Utah, Arky and Texas Tech? No to mention TCU, BYU, etc.

If you're doing 10 school conferences, there are several current P5's who would get squeezed out.

'Fro has proposed dropping schools like ISU and others. Don't look now, but ISU is getting serious about its program.
add another 10 team conference or drop the dead weight
those 5 teams would make a good start
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« Reply #78 on: March 14, 2018, 12:14:46 PM »
Already gave up annual games against Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State, and Ohio State. Getting guarantees against a single, contiguous, geographically meaningful conference (including Iowa, Minnesota, and either ND or Michigan State), and having the opportunity to put the likes of Michigan, Michigan State (or ND), Penn State, and Ohio State on a permanent rotation (two of them every year), while still having room for three other OOC games against quality opponents seems like a win. I'm ok with giving up Indiana to get there.

Which is how I get to an 8-team conference realignment.

If what you really want is return to the old Big and Pac-10 and a way to for ND into a conference, I like that idea, too (except the ND thing), but I'm not sure it's any more realistic. :-)

For the playoff, you could even do a regional quarterfinal, where the West and the Pacific always play each other, the Midwest and the East, Texas and Appalachia, and South and Atlantic South (or some similar combination, with the intent to avoid making a Florida team fly to Seattle, or vice versa). Then do nationally based neutral site semis and final.

Of course, another way to approach this would be to trim the fat, English Premier League style. Go to 8-team conferences by taking out the worst two, and make those teams fight for the scraps. Finish in the bottom two in your conference and you're out, replaced by the top of Tier 2 (whether that's Western Michigan, Northern Illinois, North Dakota, Indiana...).

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« Reply #79 on: March 14, 2018, 04:55:15 PM »
Already gave up annual games against Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State, and Ohio State. Getting guarantees against a single, contiguous, geographically meaningful conference (including Iowa, Minnesota, and either ND or Michigan State), and having the opportunity to put the likes of Michigan, Michigan State (or ND), Penn State, and Ohio State on a permanent rotation (two of them every year), while still having room for three other OOC games against quality opponents seems like a win. I'm ok with giving up Indiana to get there.

Which is how I get to an 8-team conference realignment.

If what you really want is return to the old Big and Pac-10 and a way to for ND into a conference, I like that idea, too (except the ND thing), but I'm not sure it's any more realistic. :-)

For the playoff, you could even do a regional quarterfinal, where the West and the Pacific always play each other, the Midwest and the East, Texas and Appalachia, and South and Atlantic South (or some similar combination, with the intent to avoid making a Florida team fly to Seattle, or vice versa). Then do nationally based neutral site semis and final.

Of course, another way to approach this would be to trim the fat, English Premier League style. Go to 8-team conferences by taking out the worst two, and make those teams fight for the scraps. Finish in the bottom two in your conference and you're out, replaced by the top of Tier 2 (whether that's Western Michigan, Northern Illinois, North Dakota, Indiana...).

Yeah, I realize this is the B1G board and the proposal in the original post is coming from a B1G fan, but to the rest of the country, Indiana and Illinois football are no more sacred than Iowa State or Vanderbilt.  If we truly want to "trim the fat" then there are programs in every conference that could be dropped without the bat of an eye.

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« Reply #80 on: March 14, 2018, 05:09:39 PM »
badger's far-fetched ideas sounds fun.  Your far-fectched idea sounds like a boring NFL-lite.  No thanks.
The difference, IMHO, is that while Badge's theories here are "pie-in-the-sky" crazy, OAM's proposal is pretty realistic.  

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« Reply #81 on: March 14, 2018, 05:11:31 PM »
Yeah, I realize this is the B1G board and the proposal in the original post is coming from a B1G fan, but to the rest of the country, Indiana and Illinois football are no more sacred than Iowa State or Vanderbilt.  If we truly want to "trim the fat" then there are programs in every conference that could be dropped without the bat of an eye.
Speaking for myself:
When I talk about "trimming the fat" it isn't in a "quality of football" sense, it is in a "revenue brought to the table" sense.  This is because it is and always has been about money.  A school with good football (much better than IU, IL, ISU, or Vandy) but few or no fans (and thus no ratings boost) is "fat" while a school with bad football and lots of fans is not.  

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« Reply #82 on: March 14, 2018, 05:15:50 PM »
The difference, IMHO, is that while Badge's theories here are "pie-in-the-sky" crazy, OAM's proposal is pretty realistic.  
Sure, it's pretty realistic, it's no different than the same mundane, boring, and unfun conversations we've had regarding expansion/realignment for the past couple of decades.
Why would we want to talk about a realistic extension of the current already-becoming-unfun state of college football?  The intent of the OP was clearly to fantasize about something that's more fun than our current, or expected, reality.

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« Reply #83 on: March 14, 2018, 05:19:45 PM »
Speaking for myself:
When I talk about "trimming the fat" it isn't in a "quality of football" sense, it is in a "revenue brought to the table" sense.  This is because it is and always has been about money.  A school with good football (much better than IU, IL, ISU, or Vandy) but few or no fans (and thus no ratings boost) is "fat" while a school with bad football and lots of fans is not.  
Again it looks like you're missing the point of badger's original post and subsequent thread discussion.  We all know exactly what college football is currently about-- money straight up plain and simple.
When badger talks about doing things "for the good of college football" he's not talking about the financial piece at all.  He's talking about restoring traditional rivalries, improving the on-field product, and making the sport more fun, instead of less fun, which is its current trajectory.  If he's going to suggest trimming out historically bad football programs, then there's plenty of fat in every conference.  

 

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