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Topic: Other Power Conference CG races

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Re: Other Power Conference CG races
« Reply #56 on: November 25, 2024, 02:03:33 PM »
and all the teams not named Ohio St and Oregon would be 5-4 in the SEC
Well,  5-4 if the SEC would actually play 9 conference games,  but 5-3 since the SEC only plays 8 conference games.

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Re: Other Power Conference CG races
« Reply #57 on: November 25, 2024, 02:11:01 PM »
good catch

maybe the top would separate themselves better with an 9th conference game in the SEC

probably not
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Re: Other Power Conference CG races
« Reply #58 on: November 25, 2024, 02:21:58 PM »
who meets the dawgs if the Aggies beat the Horns?

Vols? Aggies?
Aggies.  They'll have the tie-breaker over the other 2-loss teams.  Head-to-head against Texas in that case, obviously.  And then whatever weird tie-breakers they use like conference opponents' win-loss record or something, to have the tie-breaker against Tennessee.

So Georgia is in either way, and the winner of the Texas-TAMU game goes to Atlanta to play them, loser stays home.

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« Reply #59 on: November 25, 2024, 02:39:07 PM »
So Georgia is in either way, and the winner of the Texas-TAMU game goes to Atlanta to play them, loser stays home.
Hey @utee94 , just making sure I understand correctly:

Is this the final word on SECCG scenarios?  Vols are eliminated even though they can tie for a spot because they can't win tiebreakers?  

For reference for those not following closely, the four contenders are:
  • 6-1 Texas, @aTm
  • 6-2 Georgia, SEC Season complete
  • 5-2 Tennessee, @Vandy
  • 5-2 aTm, vs Texas

If Texas wins, they get the top berth outright at 7-1 and aTm is out at 5-3.  

If aTm wins, they tie with Texas and Georgia at 6-2.  Tennessee would join that tie with a win in Nashville.  

There are only four relevant possibilities:
  • Texas and Tennessee win:  Texas gets #1 outright at 7-1.  Tennessee and Georgia tie for #2 at 6-2.  UGA wins on H2H.  
  • aTm and Tennessee win:  Texas, aTm, Tennessee, and UGA all tie at 6-2.  Not sure how tiebreakers work here but you are saying it is UGA/aTm, right?
  • Texas and Vandy win:  Texas gets #1 outright at 7-1.  UGA gets #2 outright at 6-2.  Every other team has 3+ losses.  
  • aTm and Vandy win:  Texas, aTm, and Georgia all tie at 6-2.  Not sure how tiebreakers work here but you are saying it is UGA/aTm, right?


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Re: Other Power Conference CG races
« Reply #60 on: November 25, 2024, 02:55:40 PM »
Hey @utee94 , just making sure I understand correctly:

Is this the final word on SECCG scenarios?  Vols are eliminated even though they can tie for a spot because they can't win tiebreakers? 

For reference for those not following closely, the four contenders are:
  • 6-1 Texas, @aTm
  • 6-2 Georgia, SEC Season complete
  • 5-2 Tennessee, @Vandy
  • 5-2 aTm, vs Texas

If Texas wins, they get the top berth outright at 7-1 and aTm is out at 5-3. 

If aTm wins, they tie with Texas and Georgia at 6-2.  Tennessee would join that tie with a win in Nashville. 

There are only four relevant possibilities:
  • Texas and Tennessee win:  Texas gets #1 outright at 7-1.  Tennessee and Georgia tie for #2 at 6-2.  UGA wins on H2H. 
  • aTm and Tennessee win:  Texas, aTm, Tennessee, and UGA all tie at 6-2.  Not sure how tiebreakers work here but you are saying it is UGA/aTm, right?
  • Texas and Vandy win:  Texas gets #1 outright at 7-1.  UGA gets #2 outright at 6-2.  Every other team has 3+ losses. 
  • aTm and Vandy win:  Texas, aTm, and Georgia all tie at 6-2.  Not sure how tiebreakers work here but you are saying it is UGA/aTm, right?



Yes, SEC office has stated that the tie-breakers work out that Georgia is in either way, and that the winner of Texas/TAMU is in.

If Texas wins, they're in because they're the clear #1 in the SEC with only 1 loss.  Georgia then wins the tie-breakers among the other 2-loss teams so they'd be in.

If TAMU wins, they're in because they knocked Texas out of the #1, and now own the H2H tie-breaker over Texas.  In that case, Georgia also ends up owning tie-breakers over Texas H2H, and the other two due to whatever things they're using like conference opponents' W/L records.  So Georgia becomes the #1 via tie-breakers, and then A&M would be #2 due to having some similar tie-break advantage over Tennessee (conference opponents' W/L record, I think).

So no matter what, Georgia is in, and winner of Texas-TAMU is in.  High stakes game in College Station this weekend.
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Re: Other Power Conference CG races
« Reply #61 on: November 25, 2024, 03:01:02 PM »
just like old times in the SWC
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« Reply #62 on: November 25, 2024, 03:09:15 PM »
So no matter what, Georgia is in, and winner of Texas-TAMU is in.  High stakes game in College Station this weekend.
The schedule that this year's NC ends with is going to be insane no matter who it is.  For Texas it could be:
  • rivalry vs aTm
  • SECCG vs UGA
  • Hosting CFP opening round game (assuming here that they lose SECCG just because it makes for a more ridiculous stretch)
  • CFP Quarter-Final vs a top-4 team
  • CFP Semi-Final likely vs at top-2 team
  • CFP NCG likely vs a top-2 team

Similar for Ohio State:
  • Top-5 match-up with Indiana
  • rivalry vs Michigan
  • B1GCG vs #1 Oregon
  • Hosting CFP opening round game (same assumption as with Tx)
  • CFP Quarter-Final vs a top-4 team
  • CFP Semi-Final likely vs a top-2 team
  • CFP NCG likely vs a top-2 team
Either of those are nuts.  

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Re: Other Power Conference CG races
« Reply #63 on: November 25, 2024, 03:11:17 PM »
just like old times in the SWC
Heh, not really.  It was pretty rare for both Texas and TAMU to be good at the same time.  The Thanksgiving game rarely had conference championship implications.  Just a bitter in-state blood rivalry for the most part.

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Re: Other Power Conference CG races
« Reply #64 on: November 25, 2024, 03:13:22 PM »
The schedule that this year's NC ends with is going to be insane no matter who it is.  For Texas it could be:
  • rivalry vs aTm
  • SECCG vs UGA
  • Hosting CFP opening round game (assuming here that they lose SECCG just because it makes for a more ridiculous stretch)
  • CFP Quarter-Final vs a top-4 team
  • CFP Semi-Final likely vs at top-2 team
  • CFP NCG likely vs a top-2 team

Similar for Ohio State:
  • Top-5 match-up with Indiana
  • rivalry vs Michigan
  • B1GCG vs #1 Oregon
  • Hosting CFP opening round game (same assumption as with Tx)
  • CFP Quarter-Final vs a top-4 team
  • CFP Semi-Final likely vs a top-2 team
  • CFP NCG likely vs a top-2 team
Either of those are nuts. 


Yeah.  It's going to be remarkable, for whichever team survives the slog through to the end.  Historically challenging schedule, I'd imagine.

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Re: Other Power Conference CG races
« Reply #65 on: November 25, 2024, 03:38:38 PM »
There is no easy path out of this playoff.  Some discussed that being a 5 seed might not be too disadvantageous.  Even so, it's a slog as well.

If you are a 5 seed because you missed your conference CG, it's not terrible, relatively.

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Re: Other Power Conference CG races
« Reply #66 on: November 25, 2024, 03:40:39 PM »
Conference championships still matter to me.  I'd rather my team win enough games to play for the conference championship, than lose enough games to miss the opportunity.

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Re: Other Power Conference CG races
« Reply #67 on: November 25, 2024, 03:42:44 PM »
Another SEC Championship for UGA would cement their position as having second most, including ties.  It would be nice.

Getting a loss there is a kind of bad thing of course.

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Re: Other Power Conference CG races
« Reply #68 on: November 25, 2024, 03:45:29 PM »
Ed Zachery

the odds of winning the slog of tough opponents in the playoff and grabbing the crystal football are slim

you can still wear rings that signify a conference championship

with conferences the size of today, it's a bigger deal than winning the Big 8 or SWC
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« Reply #69 on: November 25, 2024, 03:48:30 PM »
Ed Zachery
You ( @FearlessF ) may have noticed this on FB but there is actually a guy in my town with this name.  He heads up out County Veterans' Services.  I arranged to have him speak at Kiwanis last week.  

 

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