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Topic: Its the Most Capital One Time of the Year (Bowl Game SOC)

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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: Its the Most Capital One Time of the Year (Bowl Game SOC)
« Reply #406 on: January 07, 2026, 11:25:13 AM »
And the conferences and member schools, of course.  They could end it all by just saying no.  But that's not ever going to happen.
This brings up an interesting dichotomy...

I recall stories from even a decade or more ago about how bad minor bowls were financially for the schools. Essentially the bowls would bend the schools over a barrel with things like forced ticket purchases, which often couldn't be resold to students/fans at face value meaning it was just a money sink. Then there was all the travel, hotels, etc. Not only was it obviously for the team, coaches, and football staff, but it includes the band, and probably a bunch of various administrative personnel who get taken out there like it's some sort of junket. The stories basically said that a minor bowl was a money-loser for the school. 

But for the conference, it's not. The conference rakes in a bunch of money from the bowls but doesn't have to fund the school's participation. That money gets disbursed to schools even if they didn't get into a bowl--I don't know how much, but I'm sure Purdue is getting money based on Indiana's bowl/CFP success this year lol. So for the conferences, bowl participation is a moneymaker--hence why teams that turn down bowl invites get fined by their conference for doing so. I'm sure for many of them, the fine they have to pay is smaller than the amount of money they'd lose by participating.

I think for a long time, there was still some halo around bowls that the schools themselves thought the prestige, the additional practices for the team, and the reward to the players at the end of a year was worth it, despite losing money. But now in the world of transfer portals and opt-outs where you don't know how many of your players will participate and how many of them will be on your team 2-3 weeks later when the portal opens, and I think the schools are slowly starting to get closer to saying no. But the conferences want to keep this gravy train running as long as they can. 

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Re: Its the Most Capital One Time of the Year (Bowl Game SOC)
« Reply #407 on: January 07, 2026, 11:32:10 AM »
Bowl Ratings continue to remain sky-high; to sample a few:

Pop Tarts Bowl – BYU/GT: 8.7M
        Best since 1991; Top non-CFP/NY6 Bowl since 2019-20 Citrus Bowl
Pinstripe Bowl – Penn St/Clemson: 7.6M
        Best on record
Gator Bowl – Virginia/Missouri: 6.0M
        Best since 2009
Rate Bowl – New Mexico/Minnesota: 4.4M
        Best since 2011
LA Bowl Game – Boise St/Washington: 3.8M
        Best on record
Hawaii Bowl – Hawaii/California: 2.7M
        Best since 2013

This guy works himself blue by stating the obvious: “So, this is why the NCAA is keeping the increasingly meaningless bowl season alive. It has nothing to do with college football fans. It has nothing to do with giving additional opportunities to players. Has nothing to do with the teams who are competing in these meaningless games that I think are a complete waste of time. The only reason, and I mean the only reason (!), that bowl season still exists in college football is to fill the bank account of the worldwide leader in woke…ESPN!”


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4L-gr6MPLM




I'd be hard pressed to find someone that loves college football more than me, and I still can't believe the ratings for the trash bowl games.  It has to be for lack of anything else to watch.  You can only watch Christmas Vacation so many times between Thanksgiving and Christmas, I suppose.

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Re: Its the Most Capital One Time of the Year (Bowl Game SOC)
« Reply #408 on: January 07, 2026, 11:36:50 AM »
This brings up an interesting dichotomy...

I recall stories from even a decade or more ago about how bad minor bowls were financially for the schools. Essentially the bowls would bend the schools over a barrel with things like forced ticket purchases, which often couldn't be resold to students/fans at face value meaning it was just a money sink. Then there was all the travel, hotels, etc. Not only was it obviously for the team, coaches, and football staff, but it includes the band, and probably a bunch of various administrative personnel who get taken out there like it's some sort of junket. The stories basically said that a minor bowl was a money-loser for the school.

But for the conference, it's not. The conference rakes in a bunch of money from the bowls but doesn't have to fund the school's participation. That money gets disbursed to schools even if they didn't get into a bowl--I don't know how much, but I'm sure Purdue is getting money based on Indiana's bowl/CFP success this year lol. So for the conferences, bowl participation is a moneymaker--hence why teams that turn down bowl invites get fined by their conference for doing so. I'm sure for many of them, the fine they have to pay is smaller than the amount of money they'd lose by participating.

I think for a long time, there was still some halo around bowls that the schools themselves thought the prestige, the additional practices for the team, and the reward to the players at the end of a year was worth it, despite losing money. But now in the world of transfer portals and opt-outs where you don't know how many of your players will participate and how many of them will be on your team 2-3 weeks later when the portal opens, and I think the schools are slowly starting to get closer to saying no. But the conferences want to keep this gravy train running as long as they can.

I believe the SEC splits the bowl revenue share equally amongst the member schools, so it makes sense to me that if you are taking money out of the trough, then you'd get fined.

If they really wanted them all to participate, they'd forego the opt out school's bowl money distribution at the end of bowl season.

Maybe they do?  I don't know.

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Re: Its the Most Capital One Time of the Year (Bowl Game SOC)
« Reply #409 on: January 07, 2026, 11:40:06 AM »
This brings up an interesting dichotomy...

I recall stories from even a decade or more ago about how bad minor bowls were financially for the schools. Essentially the bowls would bend the schools over a barrel with things like forced ticket purchases, which often couldn't be resold to students/fans at face value meaning it was just a money sink. Then there was all the travel, hotels, etc. Not only was it obviously for the team, coaches, and football staff, but it includes the band, and probably a bunch of various administrative personnel who get taken out there like it's some sort of junket. The stories basically said that a minor bowl was a money-loser for the school.

Yeah this was all true, but I feel like it's a bit overplayed, for two reasons.  One, you already named-- the schools often ended up paying for a lot of minor functionaries and leeches and hangers-on, that they wouldn't necessarily have to take.  They just choose to, and so they end up spending more than they're allotted.  If they took only strictly necesseary personnel I don't think they'd really go that far into the red.

But the second reason is a lot more compelling, and it's really an issue of accounting.  If a school is losing $500,000 on a minor bowl game, well they're also making $20M-$50M (depending on conference), on the annual conference distribution which is largely tied to overall football television revenue.  So, sure, in a particular year they might be losing $500K.  But they're also reaping the benefit of the big-time bowl money that all the other schools are raking in on their behalf.

Suffice to say, I've never felt much sympathy for the woe-is-me individual schools that complain about losing money on a crap bowl game, when the other schools in their conference are subsidizing their craptacular season to the tune of $20M-$50M per year.

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Re: Its the Most Capital One Time of the Year (Bowl Game SOC)
« Reply #410 on: January 07, 2026, 11:48:18 AM »
I'd be hard pressed to find someone that loves college football more than me, and I still can't believe the ratings for the trash bowl games.  It has to be for lack of anything else to watch.  You can only watch Christmas Vacation so many times between Thanksgiving and Christmas, I suppose.
I think it's also a matter of a lot of the games being on weekdays during morning/afternoon hours right in the middle of that holiday stretch, especially in the new WFH world. 

My company gave us the three days during Christmas week (Mon/Tue/Fri) as additional days off above the official holidays on Wed/Thu this year. We technically worked every day during NY week except the Thursday holiday, but everyone who can work remote, did. And it was a very quiet week (which was useful for getting stuff done instead of being interrupted by meetings). 

That gave me a lot of time that I could be "watching" bowl games--even if I wasn't really actively paying much attention. And I mean that re: not paying attention, I was probably watching them in the background even on the days that I was officially off work. And like you say, it's weekdays, often during the daytime, when there is literally nothing else compelling on the tube. I mean, I don't particularly like watching Stephen A yell at guests or Pat McAfee do whatever it is he does, and I certainly don't tune to soaps in the afternoon. So if there's a bowl game on, it's on the TV. 

So yeah, they're trash bowl games, but they still bring in the viewers compared to anything else on TV in those segments. They're not really competing with much of anything else for the sports fans of the world for ratings. 

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Re: Its the Most Capital One Time of the Year (Bowl Game SOC)
« Reply #411 on: January 07, 2026, 12:13:45 PM »
I'll just say it one more time-- bowl games were always meaningless exhibitions that existed solely for someone to make money.

In the early days it was the local chamber of commerce business types that benefitted.  Now, in some cases they still do, but once the TV money became so big, it's the television broadcast partner that's reaping the primary benefit.

And the conferences and member schools, of course.  They could end it all by just saying no.  But that's not ever going to happen.

It wouldn’t benefit many (any) folks to just end it suddenly, so probably not much reason to. 

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« Reply #412 on: January 07, 2026, 12:22:44 PM »
It wouldn’t benefit many (any) folks to just end it suddenly, so probably not much reason to.
Well sure.  That's the point.  They still make money for the conferences and thus for the member schools, so why would anyone vote to cancel?

Just because some weirdos on a message board complain that "there are too many bowl games?"  That's obviously not compelling... :)

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« Reply #413 on: January 07, 2026, 01:40:21 PM »
Well sure.  That's the point.  They still make money for the conferences and thus for the member schools, so why would anyone vote to cancel?

Just because some weirdos on a message board complain that "there are too many bowl games?"  That's obviously not compelling... :)

That might sum it up. 

It seems like the folks most against bowls are some cluster of fans, coaches subtly and some teams that just don’t feel like it. 

And even that last group can be weird. I talked to someone who works for a team and said the group really didn’t want to be there. But they still played an entertaining game and had a key player fight through injury in maybe his last college game?

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« Reply #414 on: January 07, 2026, 02:43:25 PM »
That might sum it up.

It seems like the folks most against bowls are some cluster of fans, coaches subtly and some teams that just don’t feel like it.

And even that last group can be weird. I talked to someone who works for a team and said the group really didn’t want to be there. But they still played an entertaining game and had a key player fight through injury in maybe his last college game?
Yeah I gotta think that seniors with few or zero pro prospects, probably don't mind playing in the bowl games.

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« Reply #415 on: January 07, 2026, 03:21:22 PM »
Yeah I gotta think that seniors with few or zero pro prospects, probably don't mind playing in the bowl games.

It’s a weird case.

On the one hand, the guys who really love football want to play football. But there’s of course the fear wrapped up in that, especially if you aren’t actually good enough to be a pro.

It seems like a lot of feelings get heightened around it. Like, your chances of meaningful injury are low. And your chances of actually improving your draft stock are also not that high in the spring (like most folks are who they are). And the belief you’re gonna carve out some kind of career is really overblown, while the understanding most people have to earn that after the draft is understated. And it became a dumb flex for clout to sit out bowls. Just a lot all around.

(I do have a vivid memory of two UW players suffering devastating knee injuries in draft prep. That was an odd couple of cases)

 

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