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Topic: OT - Why do you dine out? What do you seek in dining out?

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Re: OT - Why do you dine out? What do you seek in dining out?
« Reply #70 on: February 08, 2019, 08:58:16 AM »
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Re: OT - Why do you dine out? What do you seek in dining out?
« Reply #71 on: February 08, 2019, 10:30:29 AM »
I presented a talk at a French wine conference a few years back on differences and similarities between American and French wines.  My near opening comment was "In American, the concept is if some is good, more is better.".  And it's significantly true I think.

The zinfandel makers started trying to outdo one another on alcohol content, making some pretty nasty hot wines.  Chardonnay makers tried to one up each other on oak and butter.  Cab and merlot makers tried to one up on fruit and oak.  

This was a marketing success in general, which fed into it, but some are trying to get back to making balanced wines now in the US.  There usually is a significant difference in taste between a Bordeaux and an American wine made with the same grapes for various reasons.  I find it interesting.

The wife tends to like American wines better than French now, and I'm usually the reverse of that.

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« Reply #72 on: February 08, 2019, 10:43:38 AM »
I don't like overly oakey wines... Generally for chardonnay, if it's got even a hint of butter/oak, I'm out. Cab has a little more backbone to stand up to the oak, and I don't pick up the butter, but cab's not really my favorite either. 

Spicy, peppery zin is my go-to. Been really digging syrah a lot lately. When we went to Paso over NY weekend, their region tends to produce a lot more GSM blends, and I was digging those. I don't drink much white [in hot weather when I want a cold drink I usually grab a beer instead], but when I do I like a more clean, crisp white. The wife gets this Pinot Grigio from Costco, I think the brand is Trentino, and that hits the spot. 

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Re: OT - Why do you dine out? What do you seek in dining out?
« Reply #73 on: February 08, 2019, 10:48:17 AM »
The Kirkland brand wines at Costco in general are great values.

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« Reply #74 on: February 08, 2019, 10:52:40 AM »
I presented a talk at a French wine conference a few years back on differences and similarities between American and French wines.  My near opening comment was "In American, the concept is if some is good, more is better.".  And it's significantly true I think.
I'd agree with that. In many fields, probably. For example, it also explains the successful marketing and proliferation of many supplements, including vitamin tablets, which - in a well nourished person - at best produce expensive urine and at worst can cause hypervitaminosis, "paradoxically" (per conventional logic) worsening health.
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Vitamin A (liver damage, heart valve calcification, others)

Vitamin B6 (neurotoxicity)

Vitamin B3 (hepatitis-mimicking symptoms: jaundice, elevated liver enzymes in plasma)

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Re: OT - Why do you dine out? What do you seek in dining out?
« Reply #75 on: February 08, 2019, 11:00:57 AM »
The Kirkland brand wines at Costco in general are great values.
Definitely great values, *if* they agree with your palate. My wife loves their prosecco, and I think the sauvignon blanc as well. We tried their malbec, and neither of us thought it was something we'd want again. I know a lot of Kirkland is just rebranded from other producers, so it's a great value compared to the original label, but only if you liked the original label in the first place.
Trader Joe's sells a Dry Creek Zinfandel for about $10, and that wine is excellent.

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Re: OT - Why do you dine out? What do you seek in dining out?
« Reply #76 on: February 08, 2019, 11:08:51 AM »
Kirkland is all rebranded something.  Costco sells more wine in dollar value than any retailer in the world.  If some winery finds it has excess, they can call Costco and relabel it and get it off their inventory quickly while making little money on it.

The problem is they sell out of something and it's gone, usually.  The wife loves their prosecco for $7.  

I found a Bordeaux they have that I like right now.  I need to get up there and get more, it's $8.  The wine prices in GA are a LOT lower than in OH.  I'm saving a ton.

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« Reply #77 on: February 08, 2019, 11:43:04 AM »
The Costco wines are good, but they aren't consistent year over year because they mostly buy surplus. So their 2015 cab doesn't necessarily have much, if any, connection to their 2016 cab. Good value, but we find that buying in the same price range for wines we know we like is still a better bet.

We find French wines don't have the body we prefer in our reds. We don't do the over-the-top California wines, but we do like the California-style body. Can't happily drink Merlot. It just isn't what we like. Pinot is often borderline for us. We've really liked some that come out of the Sonoma valley, but those aren't model pinots. The more true-to-form pinot often misses the mark for us. Fortunately, SFIrish and I have a very similar palate; I like pinot more than she does, and she likes whites more than me, but we trend very much in the same directions. Probably the result of mostly drinking the same stuff together for a few years now.


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« Reply #78 on: February 08, 2019, 11:53:07 AM »
I definitely prefer French wine over American wine.  As CD pointed out, American wines tend to lack balance and subtlety.  In both wine and beer, I vastly prefer the European approach to the American.

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Re: OT - Why do you dine out? What do you seek in dining out?
« Reply #79 on: February 08, 2019, 04:03:15 PM »
Stopped for lunch at Hattie B's, two greasy thumbs up.

The wife loves it, and she loves sweet tea now, something we really did not have in Cincy (done right).  She also likes grits and biscuits, has not had red eye gravy yet.

She doesn't like country ham (yet).  She likes that fancy expensive ham from Spain though.  

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« Reply #80 on: February 08, 2019, 04:05:30 PM »
94 condolences on your friends passing,wishing/hoping the best for the family
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« Reply #81 on: February 08, 2019, 04:25:41 PM »
Thanks Mr. N, appreciate it.

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Re: OT - Why do you dine out? What do you seek in dining out?
« Reply #82 on: February 09, 2019, 09:17:17 AM »
What is the difference in price between dining out and eating a comparable meal at home?  Of course, it depends on whether you order alcohol in  a big way.

Let's presume you go to a steak house versus eating a similar steak and sides at home.  You order an 8 ounce filet, BP, salad, asparagus.

The Kroger near me has Filet on sale for $13 right now, the nearest butcher sells it for $33 a pound for choice and $38 for prime.  Let's figure the butcher has meat closer to what a restaurant would have, perhaps dry aged, perhaps not.  So, the steak costs $17 at home.  My guess is it's $45 at a good steak house, probably with one side.  Asparagus is going to run another $5 (it's often $10 but has enough for two).  Asparagus at home will be $2 sometimes less.  Baked potato is $1.  So, about $20 at home versus $50 out, sound about right?

Wine prices out are at least 2x retail.  A decent bottle out will be $60 anyway, versus more like $25 at home, so that is where the ding is.  The up charge on wine is the same as the up charge on the meal.  And of course we haven't included a tip and tax.  

We used to go to the same steak house in Cincy most of the time, they had good seafood as well (Eddie Merlot's).  I had a wine locker there that allowed me to stock at retail, so that really saved money (it was $200 a year though).  We had the same two servers nearly every time we went and that made it very comfortable.  They knew our tastes and could recommend specials we might like etc.  I was happy for them to pull something out of my wine locker without having to choose.

It would still hit $100 an evening for two of us, easily, not counting wine (which I had paid for separately).

Oddly enough, I grilled two filets at home last night with BP and asparagus, the ones from Kroger.  They were quite good.  I'm using an electric grill which is all we can have, and it works surprisingly well.  The wife had a small filet but didn't eat it all, and I didn't eat all mine either.  I opened a bottle of Regusci merlot, my last one, they do nice work there but no longer sell outside the winery.  I suspect a lot of the medium high end wines are going this route, they can sell their entire production directly by mail or club or on site.

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Re: OT - Why do you dine out? What do you seek in dining out?
« Reply #83 on: February 09, 2019, 09:44:15 AM »
Let's presume you go to a steak house versus eating a similar steak and sides at home.  You order an 8 ounce filet, BP, salad, asparagus.

The Kroger near me has Filet on sale for $13 right now, the nearest butcher sells it for $33 a pound for choice and $38 for prime.  Let's figure the butcher has meat closer to what a restaurant would have, perhaps dry aged, perhaps not.  So, the steak costs $17 at home.  My guess is it's $45 at a good steak house, probably with one side.  Asparagus is going to run another $5 (it's often $10 but has enough for two).  Asparagus at home will be $2 sometimes less.  Baked potato is $1.  So, about $20 at home versus $50 out, sound about right?
I can get good filet here from the meat counter for $12/lbs or $6 for an 8oz.  Big Russet potato for less than 50 cents. Asparagus about the same.
But I'm in flyover country, dining out prices a bit less as well.
I'd guess after tip I'd spend 20-25% of the price of dining out for a steak dinner.  Probably much less than 20% for a pasta dish with chicken at Olive Garden for example.
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