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Topic: OT - Which is the best conference in football, the ACC or Big Ten?

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Re: OT - Which is the best conference in football, the ACC or Big Ten?
« Reply #70 on: August 21, 2017, 06:37:03 PM »
Washington State is preseason top-25? Wow... I know Mike Leach had a couple really rough years there to start, but if so that's a heck of a job building that program. I hadn't paid attention lately. I had no clue that he'd actually successfully turned it around.

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Re: OT - Which is the best conference in football, the ACC or Big Ten?
« Reply #71 on: August 21, 2017, 07:06:55 PM »
the Pirate can coach
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Re: OT - Which is the best conference in football, the ACC or Big Ten?
« Reply #72 on: August 21, 2017, 07:08:10 PM »
Why omit the B12? 



cause it's fun to jerk someone's chain and stir the pot
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Re: OT - Which is the best conference in football, the ACC or Big Ten?
« Reply #73 on: August 21, 2017, 07:11:04 PM »
FULL RANKINGS[/size]TOP 25 TEAMS, WEEK 1[/color][/size][/font][/size][/font][/color]
RANK
TEAM
RECORD
POINTS
1ST PLACE VOTES
PREV
CHANGE
HI/LOW
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1
Alabama[/b][/url][/font][/size][/font][/size][/font][/size][/font]
14-1
1603
49
2
1
1/1
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2
Ohio State[/b][/url][/color][/font][/size][/font][/size][/font]
11-2
1512
5
6
4
2/2
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3
[/color]Florida State[/b][/url][/color]
10-3
1434
4
8
5
3/3
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4
[/color]Southern California[/b][/url][/color]
10-3
1415
0
5
1
4/4
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5
[/color]Clemson[/b][/url][/color]
14-1
1367
7
1
-4
5/5
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6
[/color]Penn State[/b][/url][/color]
11-3
1257
0
7
1
6/6
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7
[/color]Washington[/b][/url][/color]
12-2
1245
0
4
-3
7/7
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8
[/color]Oklahoma[/b][/url][/color]
11-2
1237
0
3
-5
8/8
[/size]
9
[/color]Michigan[/b][/url][/color]
10-3
959
0
10
1
9/9
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10
[/color]Wisconsin[/b][/url][/color]
11-3
936
0
9
-1
1

Only the coaches poll was available when I posted about four B1G teams in the top ten.




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Re: OT - Which is the best conference in football, the ACC or Big Ten?
« Reply #74 on: August 21, 2017, 07:27:13 PM »
Well, the coaches' poll generally sucks arse, so that would explain why they so stupidly put 4 teams from the B1G into it.  :)

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Re: OT - Which is the best conference in football, the ACC or Big Ten?
« Reply #75 on: August 21, 2017, 07:28:10 PM »
cause it's fun to jerk someone's chain and stir the pot

Eh, I don't really care all that much.  But I do find it interesting how perception can vary so widely, and how regional biases play such a large role.

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Re: OT - Which is the best conference in football, the ACC or Big Ten?
« Reply #76 on: August 21, 2017, 07:39:22 PM »
I feel the Big 5 conferences are all very close, usually feel that way year to year


and things keep changing, a few years ago, the Big Ten was awful and the SEC was dominant.  a few years later, Penn St and Michigan are very strong and making the Big Ten look better



This season it could be Kansas St and Texas playing well to go along with Oklahoma - we don't know
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« Reply #77 on: August 21, 2017, 09:38:44 PM »
I feel the Big 5 conferences are all very close, usually feel that way year to year


and things keep changing, a few years ago, the Big Ten was awful and the SEC was dominant.  a few years later, Penn St and Michigan are very strong and making the Big Ten look better



This season it could be Kansas St and Texas playing well to go along with Oklahoma - we don't know

KSU has been pretty good most of the last 6 years or so.  That wouldn't be anything new.  Oklahoma State's going to be good this year, too.  And West Virginia.  I also think TCU will be better than last year. 

I won't comment much on Texas, the Horns have been flat-out bad for pretty much the past 7 years.  Start with a winning record.  Baby steps.

But right now, preseason, half the B12 is in the AP top 25.  That's more ranked teams than the B1G. Just pointing out some fun facts.

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Re: OT - Which is the best conference in football, the ACC or Big Ten?
« Reply #78 on: August 21, 2017, 09:54:06 PM »
Is Texas actually ranked higher then Nebraska



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Re: OT - Which is the best conference in football, the ACC or Big Ten?
« Reply #79 on: August 21, 2017, 10:04:03 PM »
off topic:

Cincy- I know it's a pita, but if you hit the little button near the end of the second row (iirc), that has a big A in the upper left and a small A in the lower right after you C&P, it removes most the goofy formatting...

it's a problem i'm aware of, and there is a fix... it's just that i can't do it on this server.  the new server will be online by Saturday (I'm told) and i can do it then. 

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Re: OT - Which is the best conference in football, the ACC or Big Ten?
« Reply #80 on: August 21, 2017, 10:12:46 PM »
Is Texas actually ranked higher then Nebraska





of course, same as last year in the pre-season poll
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Re: OT - Which is the best conference in football, the ACC or Big Ten?
« Reply #81 on: August 21, 2017, 11:13:32 PM »
lulz

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Re: OT - Which is the best conference in football, the ACC or Big Ten?
« Reply #82 on: August 21, 2017, 11:37:36 PM »
Cincy


When I do a "paste" I get an option to paste as plain text


that seems to remove the formatting
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Re: OT - Which is the best conference in football, the ACC or Big Ten?
« Reply #83 on: August 22, 2017, 06:21:45 AM »
Sorry.

Preseason polls are fun for talking about.  It would be interesting to see if "we" here could do any better as measured by difference with final polls.  I tried that in simple fashion with who is most over ranked etc.

I know we once tried a collective poll and I also recall it got hard when you were in the teens, and I would just "guess", which is probably what coaches do (other their assistants who do it).

The writers are just compiling "common knowledge" which is more common than knowledge.

The top three almost always end up in the top ten.
The top ten end up ranked, with one team dropping out in many years.
The second ten is about 65% "right" in terms of being ranked.
The 21-25 group is guesswork.

There is some correlation which performance but obviously it ain't perfect.  Otherwise the season would be boring.  I know some Saturday's we probably all watch our team and if the score is "comfortable" we may channel flip to see that top ten team trailing somebody unranked to see what's afoot.

Every year, a Pitt ends up beating a Clemson.

 

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