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Topic: OT - What made you happy today?

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bayareabadger

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Re: OT - What made you happy today?
« Reply #1736 on: March 20, 2026, 12:50:32 PM »
I've been told it's better than it used to be.  There's laws now about the amount of hours residents can be forced to work within a certain time frame.  My cousin, a big-shot surgeon in NJ who is a year older than I, likes to scoff when he hears doctors complain about what they're put through.  He says they'd never survive what his cohort went through. 

As he's not too far off from 50, I perceive he's just about ready to start talking about how he had to walk to school, in the snow, uphill both ways, and yelling at kids to get off his lawn. 
I don’t totally understand the history of that practice and I remain curious if there’s any upside to it.

like, I would assume sleep deprived doctors are worse for patients. But I don’t really understand if there’s any payoff to training while in that state.

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« Reply #1737 on: March 20, 2026, 01:01:53 PM »
Golfing today? What are you some sort of communist?
nobody works on Friday afternoons - not even commies
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« Reply #1738 on: March 20, 2026, 01:05:01 PM »
nobody works on Friday afternoons - not even commies
Well yeah but today especially no one plays golf either unless they want to conspire

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« Reply #1739 on: March 20, 2026, 01:06:27 PM »
I don’t totally understand the history of that practice and I remain curious if there’s any upside to it.

like, I would assume sleep deprived doctors are worse for patients. But I don’t really understand if there’s any payoff to training while in that state.
shut the hell up and pay yer dues
or get a different job
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Re: OT - What made you happy today?
« Reply #1740 on: March 20, 2026, 01:24:51 PM »
My last year in grad school was pretty brutal.  I had some weeks where I counted up 100+ hours.  Some of that was sleeping while this machine cranked away, it would ding when it finished.  My gf did not understand.  




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Re: OT - What made you happy today?
« Reply #1741 on: March 20, 2026, 02:58:52 PM »
I don’t totally understand the history of that practice and I remain curious if there’s any upside to it.

like, I would assume sleep deprived doctors are worse for patients. But I don’t really understand if there’s any payoff to training while in that state.

I'd need to ask some people who would know better than I.  Without that benefit, I'm guessing a couple of the rationales are:

  • Residents have to have X amount of hours before they can be unleashed to do their own thing or proceed to the next step in their chosen field.  Because there's a provider shortage, it behooves the industry to get these folks out into the independent practicing world asap.  
  • Also, a lot of hospitals couldn't function without residents, and there's only a limited number of them but the workload is what it is, so....you work until the work's done.  
  • Depending on their chosen specialty and setting--i.e., clinic, hospital, other--they stand to be in for careers of ungodly long and awful hours.  Might as well break them in while they're still green, because for a lot of them, it ain't ever gonna get much better.  

Just my guesses.  

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Re: OT - What made you happy today?
« Reply #1742 on: March 20, 2026, 04:07:58 PM »
My last year in grad school was pretty brutal.  I had some weeks where I counted up 100+ hours.  Some of that was sleeping while this machine cranked away, it would ding when it finished.  My gf did not understand. 





My MBA grad school was a lot easier than my EE undergrad.  There were times in undergrad when I wouldn't leave campus for 2 or 3 days.  Those senior labs were a real bitch.


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Re: OT - What made you happy today?
« Reply #1743 on: Today at 11:34:40 AM »
Yo have to wonder… would there really be that much of a shortage if being a doctor wasn’t so much of a bitch to start with?  

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« Reply #1744 on: Today at 12:12:19 PM »
Yo have to wonder… would there really be that much of a shortage if being a doctor wasn’t so much of a bitch to start with? 
There would be less of a shortage, but arguably the doctors would be worse. How much that would matter is up for debate.

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« Reply #1745 on: Today at 01:54:40 PM »
Yo have to wonder… would there really be that much of a shortage if being a doctor wasn’t so much of a bitch to start with? 

I'd posit that becoming a doctor and being a doctor is about as hard as it ever was, in many respects.  Some laws do change, obviously.  And standard procedures can change with new medical advancements, so maybe some things could be more time consuming, but I assume that's offset by technological advances which make MD workflows much faster.  

What is suffering is the payoff.  Doctors can't make the same kind of money they once did.  I know multiple doctors who claim they discouraged their kids from entering the profession, because they saw the writing on the wall for many years, and now are living it, that the profession no longer compensates you like you'd want for what it demands of you.  This largely has to do with insurance reimbursements, but also other things.  

Another part of the shortage, imo, is a cultural problem.  I think there's a lesser percentage of kids today who are willing to put in the work that it takes to become a doctor. 

So we're left with incentivizing foreign doctors to come here and importing the ones we can lure.  

 

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