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medinabuckeye1

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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #4760 on: May 06, 2025, 03:24:55 PM »
It seems more appropriate to me to say that the Germans didn't plan on the battle going into winter (despite needing to occupy that area indefinitely) so they just didn't pack anything for it.  Which is I guess pretty much the same thing. 
Yeah, they didn't pack winter gear but they didn't pack a lot of things that they needed even for a relatively short war.  Modern mechanized armies can't possibly pack everything they need for anything longer than a few days of operations.  After that they need resupply.  Barbarossa, even if it went as planned would have taken months so resupply was an inevitable need.  

Winter clothing was a problem for the Germans only in that it was yet another supply need that their already severely overtaxed logistical capacity simply couldn't provide.  @Cincydawg pointed out that cold weather caused a need for more fuel to keep vehicles running and that tank treads and tank engines wore out.  All of these things were additional needs on top of needing ammunition and food for ~3.8 Million hungry young men.  

The winter clothing issue wasn't the only problem but it exacerbated an already disastrous situation for the German Army . . . just as Paulus said pre-war would happen.  Their logistical capacity simply wasn't capable of fighting that deep in Russia.  

Hitler famously told his generals at the onset that "You have but to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down."  From that we can see that he simply didn't think the Germans would have to do any actual fighting that deep in Russia because he thought that by the time the Germans got that deep, Russia would have collapsed so they'd only be dealing with occupation duty and neutralizing the occasional Partisan not actual front line fighting with an organized army.  

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« Reply #4761 on: May 06, 2025, 03:27:46 PM »
When you say "somehow figured out" you have to imagine that some aviator just watched another plane get swallowed up in the explosion from shooting one down and said "eff that" and then decided to try something new.  Maybe he saw one get tipped over on another flight or something, but someone had to be the first to nudge it with their wing.  Imagine the balls on that guy to try that. 
To make it worse, the V1 had a cruise speed of ~400MPH so this was all being done at that speed.  

I 100% agree.  Some guy had to look at this situation and say "Hey, rather than shooting at it or perhaps shooting at it from farther away with a longer-range weapon, I'll just cruise right up next to the thing and freaking ram it at 400MPH, what could go wrong?"  

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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #4762 on: May 06, 2025, 03:37:21 PM »
The Terrifying German Revenge Weapons Of Wolrd War 2

The crew of a 40mm Bofors anti-aircraft gun keep watch for flying bombs, June 1944. Defensive measures against the V1 included massed batteries of anti-aircraft guns along the North Downs and the coast of south-east England, and the use of fast RAF fighter aircraft to shoot or 'tip' down the incoming flying bombs before they reached their targets. Anti-aircraft guns were responsible for the shooting down over 1,800 V1s. Similar numbers were downed by fighter aircraft and 200 were destroyed by barrage balloons.

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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #4763 on: May 06, 2025, 03:39:09 PM »
The Blitz on London from September 1940 to May 1941 and the V1 flying bomb and V2 rocket attacks in 1944 caused a massive amount of damage. It is estimated that more than 12,000 metric tons of bombs were dropped on London and nearly 30,000 civilians were killed by enemy action.


American aircraft dropped approximately 22,090.3 tons of bombs on Berlin during World War II. This figure includes both high-explosive and incendiary bombs. The RAF dropped 45,517 tons. 

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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #4764 on: May 06, 2025, 03:49:11 PM »

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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #4765 on: May 06, 2025, 03:54:43 PM »

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« Reply #4766 on: May 06, 2025, 04:08:05 PM »
I'm okay with that, because Celsius 232.778 would have made an awful book title.

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« Reply #4767 on: May 06, 2025, 05:22:58 PM »

I dislike Celsius because 5-10 degrees makes a huge difference. Whereas 5-10 deg in F is not huge until you get to the extreme edges. 

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« Reply #4768 on: May 06, 2025, 06:05:25 PM »
[img width=500 height=312.997]https://i.imgur.com/VMR7LS8.png[/img]
I think it was President Ford who made this mistake, maybe Carter.  

Anyway, when I was a kid in the 1970's they said we were going to "gradually" switch to metric.  That just inherently doesn't work.  Nobody "gradually" switches from thinking "It is 110 miles to Ohio Stadium, that takes about two hours with traffic" to "It is 175 Kilometers to Ohio Stadium, that takes about two hours with traffic."  

At this point in my life (I'll be 50 in about a week), I'm never going to feel "native" in metric.  I'm too old to make that switch.  Even if the US switched tomorrow, I think that for the rest of my life I'd still "think" in traditional English measurements and "translate" in my head.  

They should have just ripped the band-aid off back in the 1970's.  In that case I'd have learned metric growing up and traditional English would have been something I only used for working on old stuff.  

The thing I'd like to know is how did they handle it with housing/lumber when the switched elsewhere?  

2x4's are 1-1/2" by 3-1/2" which means that stud cavities are exactly 3-1/2" by 14-1/2" by (usually) 96".  Switching that would take forever because all existing homes would be the old standard for literally centuries in some cases.  

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« Reply #4769 on: May 06, 2025, 06:21:12 PM »
Why wouldn't they just standardize lumber at 3.8cmx8.9cmx244cm and place studs 40.6cm on center?

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« Reply #4770 on: May 06, 2025, 06:53:35 PM »
We’re (nearly)  the same age Medina. I do remember when it seemed like the switch to metric started. 2 liter cokes, engines in liters, a few other things here and there. They taught us metric in school. It made so much sense. Then it just died out. Big cokes are 1 or 2 liter. Little cokes are 12 or 20 oz. It’s just strange how some things got accepted and some didn’t. 

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« Reply #4771 on: May 06, 2025, 07:09:31 PM »
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

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« Reply #4772 on: Today at 07:12:48 AM »
College was metric. Real life is not.
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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #4773 on: Today at 07:41:48 AM »
My wife often asks me to convert temperatures.  She'll be putting on a coat and I'll say "It's 72°F!" and she asks for it in C.

She will wear a coat when I'm in shorts and a T shirt.

 

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