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SFBadger96

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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #4564 on: March 27, 2025, 07:30:59 PM »
My family has some midwestern roots, for sure. Some in Ohio. More recently in Minnesota (my dad's father's family moved there in the late 19th century). One of my mom's family was a POW at Andersonville while serving in an Ohio Regiment. He's buried (along with several other family members) just north of Dayton. My brother-in-law and my niece/nephews live just outside of Dayton now.

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« Reply #4565 on: March 27, 2025, 10:05:42 PM »
My family has some midwestern roots, for sure. Some in Ohio. More recently in Minnesota (my dad's father's family moved there in the late 19th century). One of my mom's family was a POW at Andersonville while serving in an Ohio Regiment. He's buried (along with several other family members) just north of Dayton. My brother-in-law and my niece/nephews live just outside of Dayton now.
Have you ever visited Andersonville?

It is a moving site.

A crazy story there:
There was a guy, I think from NY who was sentenced to death internally by the Union Prisoners for theft or something. Anyway, when he was hanged the gallows broke so he survived. He then argued, unsuccessfully, that the gallows breaking was a sign from God that he should be pardoned. That didn't help, they fixed the gallows and successfully hanged him.

A horrible fate befell a number of Union Army POW's. A lot of them died in the Sultana disaster. 

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« Reply #4566 on: March 27, 2025, 10:24:12 PM »
Medina,

As you've researched your family, how far back can you get prior to the Revolutionary War and states forming...that kind of thing?  I've never had reason to know about anything that far back, so I'm curious if you know when European settlers started keeping public records.  Like, what year did they start building courthouses and filing birth/marriage certificates?  Never really thought about it before now. 

EDIT:  Oops, lol, I see you kind of already answer that
It varies a LOT between and even within States/Colonies.

An example, a bunch of my dad's ancestors lived in Crawford County, Pennsylvania. Crawford is in extreme Western PA, right on the Ohio border and it is the County immediately South of Erie County (where Erie, PA is located, on Lake Erie).

They lived there prior to the Revolution. Records from Crawford County PA from the 1750's are spotty at best. However, some of my mom's ancestors lived in the Philadelphia area at the same time. Note that is the same Colony, Pennsylvania.

Basically, if your ancestors hacked a path through the woods and carved out a farmstead from the wilderness there probably wasn't a County Recorder standing around to record the birth of the children right after they arrived.

That said, it often surprises me how fast the local governments got up and running.

Medina County (immediately South of Cuyahoga/Cleveland) was pretty much wilderness/frontier in 1810 and had a more-or-less fully functional County Government by no later than 1830.

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« Reply #4567 on: March 27, 2025, 10:47:40 PM »
I tend to agree.  Just that in my case, the guy left a very detailed diary, which is now public, 
I have a very similar situation.  The aforementioned Civil War Veteran, Joshua kept a diary which my family published in the early 1980's
my family published in the early 1980's.  I've read it multiple times so I know a LOT about Joshua but I know next-to-nothing about all the rest of my ancestors at that level (2-great grandparents born circa 1830-1868).  

Joshua was born on December 11, 1842 in Morgan County, Ohio and died in 1918 at the age of 75.  I have a picture of my Grandmother Helen (1909-2012) sitting on her Grandfather Joshua's lap but Helen is a little girl in the picture and it was obviously taken about six decades before I came along.  That picture, however, is the most tangible connection I have to Joshua.  The little girl in the picture is someone who I knew so there is a personal connection.  

Another ancestor at the same level, a 2-great grandfather on my dad's side was born much later, in 1867 and lived his whole life in Western Pennsylvania.  He lived until November of 1943 in the midst of WWII.  My dad was born in 1940 so it is possible that he met his great-grandfather.  It wouldn't have been terribly difficult either for my dad's parents to take a train to Western PA or for that great-grandfather to take a train to Cleveland to meet his new great-grandson but I have NO IDEA whether or not that actually happened.  

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« Reply #4568 on: March 27, 2025, 11:20:44 PM »
That said, it often surprises me how fast the local governments got up and running.

Medina County (immediately South of Cuyahoga/Cleveland) was pretty much wilderness/frontier in 1810 and had a more-or-less fully functional County Government by no later than 1830.
This might be specific to Ohio and possibly a few other states such as Oklahoma.  

Some history:
One of the complaints of the Colonists that contributed to the Revolution was that the British were deterring Westward migration.  Hence, most of the Indian Tribes sided with the British during the Revolutionary War because they obviously also opposed westward expansion of white/European settlement.  

Side note here:
The British opposition wasn't based on the British appreciating Native American land rights, it was purely pragmatic.  The British had spent a ton of money fighting off the French and Indians in what we call the French and Indian War.  The North American Colonies weren't particularly profitable for Britain (they were making a LOT of cash from India and their sugar plantations in the Caribbean) so Westward expansion of the North American Colonies was something that would have been very costly for the British and provided very little in the way of benefit to Britain.  

Back to the History.  Due to the British resistance against Westward Expansion, the area that became Ohio was basically off-limits to white/European settlement until after the Revolution.  Then, at the end of the Revolution a number of East Coast States (former 13 Colonies) gave land in Ohio to their Revolutionary War Veterans in lieu of pensions.  The area where I live was originally part of the "Connecticut Western Reserve" and there are a number of Revolutionary War Veterans buried in our Town Cemetery.  They are nearly all first-wave settlers from Connecticut.  

Anyway, the delayed settlement meant that once Ohio was open for settlement, it grew VERY rapidly because demand for Western land had been effectively bottled up for many decades.  Ohio became a State in 1803 and by the 1810 census it had already surpassed Delaware, Rhode Island, New Hampshire, and Vermont in population.  A decade later Ohio was the fifth most populous state behind only NY, VA, PA, and NC.  Ohio's population surpassed NC in the 1830 census and by 1840 Ohio was the third most populous state trailing only NY and PA.  

My point is that Ohio was settled VERY rapidly.  Consequently, the first wave settlers saw an enormous change.  When they arrived around 1800-1810 Ohio was literally a wilderness totally disconnected from civilization back east.  Within about 30 years Ohio was the third most populous state in the Union and had fully functioning State and local Government.  

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« Reply #4569 on: March 28, 2025, 10:33:21 AM »
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« Reply #4570 on: March 28, 2025, 11:39:18 AM »
@MikeDeTiger 
Another thing that I should point out about genealogy research is that a lot of "my" research hasn't been mine at all.  Sources like Ancestry are great for basically "crowdsourcing" your research.  

In my case, one of my mom's cousins became a Mormon and Mormons have a keen interest in genealogy for religious reasons.  Consequently, a lot of research on one half of my mom's side of the family was just available.  Once I found it, I was basically done with that entire quarter of my ancestry.  

The farthest back I went in creating my database is my 10-great grandparents (of which there are 4,096).  I only have information on a comparative handful:

  • Deacon Isaac Cummings 1601-1677 was born in Easthorpe, Essex, England, married in Essex in 1628 and died in the Massachusetts Bay Colony in 1677.  
  • Anne Cummings (wife of above) 1607-1677 was born in Mistley, Essex, England, married in Essex in 1628 and died in the Massachusetts Bay Colony in 1677 (two weeks before her husband).  
  • Thomas Howlett 1606-1677 was born in Weybread, Suffolk, England, married in Massachusetts Bay Colony in 1634 and died in Massachusetts in 1677.  
  • Alice French (wife of #3) 1610-1666 was born in Assington, Suffolk, England, married in Massachusetts Bay Colony in 1634 and died in Massachusetts in 1666.  
  • John Wright 1601-1688 was born in West Peckham, Kent, England in 1601, married in "England" in 1630, and died in Woburn, Massachusetts in 1688.  
  • Priscilla Byfield 1613-1687 (wife of #5) was born in "England", married in "England" in 1630 and died in Woburn, Massachusetts in 1687.  
  • Richard Hassell 1622-1690 was born in Axbridge, Somerset, England, and died in Dunstable, Massachusetts Bay Colony.  
  • Joan Bateman (wife of #7) 1622-1690 was born in "England" and died in Dunstable, Massachusetts Bay Colony.  
  • Ralph Maxwell "about 1610"-?.  I don't have much information on this one, presumably lived his whole live in Scotland
  • Effala Monnet (wife of #9), same as her husband, lived in Scotland but I don't know much beyond that.  
  • John Abbe Jr. 1613-1989 was born in Norwich, Norfolk, England, married in 1633 in Wenham, Essex, Massachusetts Bay Colony, and died in Salem, Essex, Massachusetts. 
  • Mary Loringe (wife of #11) 1615-1672 was born in Alderholt, Dorset, England, marred in Wenham, Essex, Massachusetts Bay Colony, and died in Wenham.  

I have a bunch more.  The most interesting is my 10-great grandfather Giles Hopkins who was born January 30, 1607 in Hursley, Hampshire, England.  In 1620 at 13 years old he sailed aboard the Mayflower along with his Father, step-mother (his mother had died), siblings and half-siblings.  A half-brother Oceanus was born at sea on the Mayflower but died sometime prior to 1627.  He also had other half-siblings born in Plymouth after the voyage.  Giles (and his father Stephen) are my Mayflower Passenger ancestors.  

Note on #5/6:
When they got married in 1630 he would have been 28/29 and she would have been 16/17.  This was most likely a second marriage for him.  It would have been highly unusual for a guy to be a bachelor to the ripe old age of nearly 30.  Second marriages were fairly common back then not due to divorce but due to the high mortality rates.  More than likely he had a first wife closer to his age who died.  


Note on #11:
When I read that he died in Salem I immediately thought of the Salem Witch Trials and wondered if he had been there for that but I looked it up and those happened after he died.  

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« Reply #4571 on: March 28, 2025, 08:28:40 PM »
There was a chili parlor in Chapel Hill back in the day, it was pretty good I thought, served it over rice which is where I got my preference.  I'm sure the most "chili parlors" by far are in Cincinnati.  When I first interviewed there I thought it was cool because I really like "chili".  So, my first night by myself I go to one and order chili and get all these bizarre questions about what kind, so I ended up with "just chili", and thought it was horrible.  I didn't go back for years until folks at work said I didn't get the right kind.

I do miss it on occasion now.

You can pass 3-4-5 chili places in Cincy in a few blocks.

My own "chili" is what utee calls "Mexican spaghetti".

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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #4572 on: March 29, 2025, 12:08:35 PM »
I wonder if the whole Mayflower thing was something that was relatively unknown in and directly after its own time but became much more famous in later times. Kind of like what I’ve heard about the Alamo. Supposedly, the Alamo was a forgotten relic for 50 years after the battle. Only later did they sort of trump it up and make a big deal out of it. 

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« Reply #4573 on: March 29, 2025, 12:10:44 PM »
I wonder if the whole Mayflower thing was something that was relatively unknown in and directly after its own time but became much more famous in later times. Kind of like what I’ve heard about the Alamo. Supposedly, the Alamo was a forgotten relic for 50 years after the battle. Only later did they sort of trump it up and make a big deal out of it.
I guess somebody remembered. 

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« Reply #4574 on: March 29, 2025, 01:39:11 PM »


Topped with a cream cheese base, Skyline Chili, mozzarella, and mild cheddar, this pizza is finished with small red beans, diced onions, and a post-bake garnish of sour cream, diced tomatoes, and chopped green onions. Pickled jalapeños can be added for those who like a little spice.



Hold on, hold on......chili AND beans?!?!  This is madness!!!
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« Reply #4575 on: March 29, 2025, 01:40:09 PM »
Also, in my mind, this thread title makes me picture Cincy giving an oral history of the past few centuries......from memory.....because he was there.

:88:
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« Reply #4576 on: March 29, 2025, 01:57:58 PM »
I guess somebody remembered.
Same thing with the Declaration of Independence. It was regarded as an afterthought in its own time. 

maybe some of you historians can set me straight. 

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« Reply #4577 on: March 29, 2025, 04:43:18 PM »
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