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« Reply #4998 on: June 04, 2025, 10:18:20 PM »
a cyber attack on our financials would be much more damaging than a drone attack on our electrical systems,
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« Reply #4999 on: June 04, 2025, 10:34:04 PM »
a cyber attack on our financials would be much more damaging than a drone attack on our electrical systems,
Malicious actors are constantly attempting to cyber-attack our financial institutions, our tech core, and our infrastructure.  If it were easy, it if were incredibly vulnerable, it would have already happened.

When I say China's been at war with us for decades, I can't stress enough how much I mean it.  And when I say Russia is a constant threat, I also can't stress enough how much I mean it.

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« Reply #5000 on: June 05, 2025, 07:39:53 AM »

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« Reply #5001 on: June 05, 2025, 09:37:35 AM »
THIS DAY IN HISTORY: 


US Secretary of State George Marshall Announces the Marshall Plan (1947)
World War II left the finances and industry of Europe crippled. In 1947, Marshall proposed a plan for the US to finance the European recovery. From 1948 to 1952, it provided almost $13 billion in grants and loans to 17 countries and was a key factor in reviving their economies and stabilizing their political structures. While most of Europe embraced the plan, it was strongly opposed by the Soviet Union and some Eastern European nations.
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« Reply #5002 on: June 05, 2025, 10:10:02 AM »


The US took over through economic dominance, being protected by two oceans helped of course.  I think we're on the way down, but it'll be a while yet.  I was musing about a major cyber attack on our financials coupled with myriad drone attacks on our electrical systems, you don't need a nuclear EMP today.

Nearly all our "wealth" today is on computers.
It was also  a stack of cards, Unlike a Republic that turned to free enterprise and manufactured their goods the British mostly invaded others and took their shyt.Their fauntleroys officers mostly because they had some sort of connections to aristocrats got their Tommies filleted in 2 WWs
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« Reply #5003 on: June 05, 2025, 03:07:57 PM »
On this date 

1959 Bob Dylan graduates from Hibbing High School in Minnesota

1967 Six-Day War begins between Israel and the neighboring Arab states of Egypt, Jordan and Syria

1968 Palestinian Sirhan Sirhan assassinates Robert F. Kennedy, shooting him 3 times and wounding 5 others at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles, California. Kennedy dies the next day.

2013 The first article based on NSA leaked documents by Edward Snowden are published by the Guardian Newspaper in the UK

2019 Ohio doctor William Husel charged with 25 counts of murder for prescribing potentially fatal doses of opioids in Franklin County

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« Reply #5004 on: June 05, 2025, 03:29:07 PM »
It was also  a stack of cards, Unlike a Republic that turned to free enterprise and manufactured their goods the British mostly invaded others and took their shyt.Their fauntleroys officers mostly because they had some sort of connections to aristocrats got their Tommies filleted in 2 WWs
Obviously none of this is true.  

Britain's empire referred to above as a "stack of cards" was the greatest the world has ever seen and stood more-or-less intact for centuries.  

Contra "invading others and taking things" every former British possession is VASTLY better off than they would be had they never been colonized or had they been colonized by another power.  The British lost their empire not because someone took it but because they couldn't afford to maintain it.  Ie, it was absolutely NOT a profitable theft operation as you suggest.  Instead the British spent a lot of money improving the areas they controlled and eventually simply couldn't afford such spending.  

I have no doubt that the British Army had some incompetent officers who got their positions based upon who they knew rather than what they knew and their ability to command in combat but that is hardly a uniquely British phenomenon, it happens in EVERY army.  The British Army acquitted itself quite well in both WWI and WWII.  They were clearly and obviously superior man-for-man to the every army involved in WWI with the exception of the Germans and in WWII while they ultimately couldn't match the volume of both men and material that the US and the USSR supplied they stood alone against the Germans for nearly a year from the fall of France until Barbarossa, beat the Germans in the skies over their island, and as late as 81 years ago tomorrow the British took three of the five beaches in Normandy.  American forces took two.  If their army had been as bad as you think it was, D-Day would not have gone well considering that they handled the lions share of it.  

They also kicked Rommell's ass in North Africa and although we Americans eventually showed up and helped finish that off the British Army was so vastly superior to the American Army early in the campaign that the British internally referred to the Americans as "our Italians" referencing the VAST difference in fighting quality between the Germans and their Italian allies.  Unlike the Italians, the Americans eventually overcame their early-war deficiencies but that does not negate the fact that in 1942 a British army unit regardless of size (squad, company, division, whatever) was VASTLY superior to a comparably sized American army unit.  

You have this weird hatred for everything British and it is fine to hate them but don't let your hatred blind you to reality.  You are entitled to your own opinions but you are NOT entitled to your own facts.  

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« Reply #5005 on: June 05, 2025, 03:57:15 PM »
I like the Brits.  Some good beers and some good whiskys.  Even better if you extend to the island west of there and throw in the Irish!

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« Reply #5006 on: June 05, 2025, 07:26:48 PM »
You have this weird hatred for everything British and it is fine to hate them but don't let your hatred blind you to reality.  You are entitled to your own opinions but you are NOT entitled to your own facts. 
  YAWNING - you'll argue at the drop of a hat and drop the hat yourself. The Brits fought to the last ally usually the Aussies or Indians But I'm not chewing my cud twice, like last year when you went off on one of these dubious diatribes. I don't hate the British just their aristocracy(Kings,Princes,Lords,Dukes) as our political and business leaders are turning into the same type of tripe. Perhaps you believe the Redcoats "EMPIRE" was won with fair play and courtly manners as opposed to brute force and rampaging violence?

The British Crown had a primitive view of economics - saw it as a zero sum game and the only way for the British people to prosper was to invade other countries and displace, plunder & exploit those people and take away resources from their lands. I guess one would celebrate that if you are a fauntleroy. Did you miss history class when it was discussed how that empire twice tried to steal our "inalienable rights"

BTW the Second World War was the continuation of the First World War which was a continuation of the constant battles between the European nations over centuries. That is the history that the British Crown absolutely had a dominate hand in. This is why Euros from all over left their feudal lords and their fiefdoms for these shores. The Crown had the Royal Navy in WWI blockading Germany's Northen ports causing 3/4 of a million German citizens to starve to death. That was a clear violation of not only international law but a callous disregard for human rights and in fact a war crime. Evidently this is only an atrocity/genocide if others do it,Right? The British Crown are as much as anyone complicit in bringing on WWII. That was long before Hitler/NAZIs,but no doubt brought that on

Also, The U.S.A. voted down & flatly rejected the terms of the Treaty of Versailles. As it was the terms of that seedy agreement which led to the resentments and recriminations that brought on WW II. Britain,France & Poland placed & enforced the burden of war guilt entirely on Germany - in a war they didn't start. Ceding to France & Poland 25,000 square miles of German lands. The citizens themselves lost their homes as a result of these measures. The reality was that Treaty was anything but a fair settlement for the Central Powers.

That was in fact a criminal act of despotism plunging their country deep into anarchy, destitution and chaos - the treaty forced Germany to disarm, to make territorial concessions, and to pay reparations to the Allied powers in the staggering amounts.  Reparations the British Crown had never paid to ANYONE when they invaded, subjugated and plundered near/far like Ireland/India/South Africa/USA or anyone else 350 yrs prior.

No one knew at the time Hitler would turn into a bigger creep than even the so-called Royals were previously.They also absolutely committed war crimes in South Africa and India. The looting of gold,silver and diamonds from those lands and other natural resources. During the Second Boer War (1899-1902), the British established concentration camps in South Africa to detain Boer civilians, primarily women and children, as part of a strategy to undermine Boer guerrilla warfare

I just love when you mine these rare gems to share with others "The British were clearly and obviously superior man-for-man to the every army involved in WWI with the exception of the Germans." Seeing as Germany was basically thee adversary and both stuck in trenches for 4 yrs that is as empty as your research. Austria-Hungary were closely associated with Germany. Britain had been fighting on/off with France for centuries. Their commoners were brave sure but it doesn't back any of your assinine assumptions. Four years of trench warfare was shattered when the AEF and Pershing arrived forcing the battles out of the static state it was in. As General Erich Ludendorff said "The British Army are lions led by jackasses"




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« Reply #5007 on: June 05, 2025, 10:37:32 PM »
that's a helluva lot of typing
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« Reply #5008 on: Today at 06:40:07 AM »
He has a lot to learn but doesn't think so lecturing others on "You are entitled to your own opinions but you are NOT entitled to your own facts"(as he presents them) ;D
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« Reply #5009 on: Today at 07:54:15 AM »
THIS DAY IN HISTORY: 

Robert Kennedy Dies from Gunshot Wounds (1968)
Five years after US President John F. Kennedy was assassinated, his younger brother, Senator Robert Kennedy, was shot and killed by a man named Sirhan Sirhan. The shooting took place on the night that Robert won the California Democratic presidential nomination. His body was taken to Arlington National Cemetery by train, and thousands of people gathered by the tracks to pay tribute. He was buried near his brother.
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« Reply #5010 on: Today at 08:24:08 AM »
He has a lot to learn but doesn't think so lecturing others on "You are entitled to your own opinions but you are NOT entitled to your own facts"(as he presents them) ;D\
I have no patience for your ignorance.  

You typed a lot but failed to address the points that I made.  I'll accept that as your admission that you were wrong.  

Look, you made untrue statements of fact.  I corrected you.  There is no need to rant and rave and argue against things I never said.  Just respect your betters, thank me for educating you, and STFU.  

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« Reply #5011 on: Today at 08:28:09 AM »
81 years ago this morning the British and Americans landed at Normandy.  

If you believe @MrNubbz you would assume that the operation was a massive failure since the clownishly buffoonish British Army was responsible for three of the five beaches.  

Contra his ignorance the landings were successful and with the Western Allies now on the Continent to his West along with the Soviets pressing in from the East, Hitler's days were numbered.  Less than a year later he would crawl into his underground bunker beneath the ruins of Berlin and never return to the surface alive.  

 

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