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Yeah, I tend to stay in touch with new music to a point, but it's mostly alt-rock from listening to our local radio and SiriusXM, and some country (due to wife & oldest kid).

I can say I'm a little surprised by some of the things I see on the 2024 playlist. I suspect that some of those artists (i.e. Chappell Roan) are ones that you only know about because you have a daughter of the right age to listen to that sort of stuff? Outside of Taylor, I'm out of the loop on pop, and completely out of the loop on modern hip hop.

Yeah just the kids in general keep me in touch with some of it, mainly because of TikTok, but I also deliberately search some of it out.  I like pop music but it has to be good, and I consider Chappell Roan to be quite good.  She's innovative and interesting and has a substantial voice.

Honestly my daughter doesn't listen to a ton of pop, she likes the more far out sort of dreamy-rock vibe, like the JAWNY song "Strawberry Chainsaw" or "Can't Slow Down" by Almost Monday.

And my son is almost exclusively into rap/hip hop at this point, guys like Kendrick Lamar and Drake and Kanye.  But I don't love that stuff so it's not going to make it into the mix.

2017 Red River Jams:

Walk on Water - Thirty Seconds to Mars
Everything Now - Arcade Fire
Feel It Still - Portugal, The Man
Up All Night - Beck
No Roots- Alice Merton
Look What You Made Me Do - Taylor Swift
The Sky Is a Neighborhood - Foo Fighters
Thunder - Imagine Dragons
Golden Dandelions - Barnes Courtney
The Wanting - J. Roddy Walston and The Business
One Night Only - The Struts
Legends - Sleeping With Sirens
Casual Party - Band of Horses
Feel Good - Neon Trees
Champion - Fall Out Boy

That's fair.  A lot of people don't consider rap to be music and you're saying effectively the same thing there.

Personally I got past the "rap isn't music" thing a long time ago, probably about 1985.

But I don't have any issue with people that still consider that to be the case.  Personal perception of art is always subjective.

I'm not one of those.  Rap music generally has a musical track backing up the spoken words of the artists, so even if someone doesn't consider the rapping itself to be music, it's almost impossible to argue against the background music.  Even if none of it is played with acoustic-based instruments, it inarguably uses the 12-semi-tone Western scale to form a discernible key, and often chord movement. 

Where that's different from Swift's song is--as much as I recall--she didn't even have a track behind her that met as many benchmarks as rap music meets.  She basically rapped over a drum-machine.  Because I take rhythm so seriously, I'm on the fence about if I considered it music or not, but it came the closest to "not music" out of anything I'd heard in a long time that was supposed to be music.  

I'm not one of those.  Rap music generally has a musical track backing up the spoken words of the artists, so even if someone doesn't consider the rapping itself to be music, it's almost impossible to argue against the background music.  Even if none of it is played with acoustic-based instruments, it inarguably uses the 12-semi-tone Western scale to form a discernible key, and often chord movement. 

Where that's different from Swift's song is--as much as I recall--she didn't even have a track behind her that met as many benchmarks as rap music meets.  She basically rapped over a drum-machine.  Because I take rhythm so seriously, I'm on the fence about if I considered it music or not, but it came the closest to "not music" out of anything I'd heard in a long time that was supposed to be music. 

Ummm, you don't have to like the song, but it's pretty obvious you don't know what you're talking about here.  You should probably listen to it again.  It seems to me like you're focusing entirely on about half of the chorus.  Listen to the rest of the song and then tell me you still have the same characterization of it.

Or don't listen to it, and just sit there and stew in your wrongness.  Doesn't matter to me either way.

Maybe you missed the "as much as I recall" part. 

Well far be it from me to tell folks they should be educated about a topic before discussing it.  If that were common, internet message boards wouldn't even exist and then where would we be???