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Gigem

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Re: OT - TV shows and Movies
« Reply #602 on: April 08, 2025, 04:06:06 PM »
At the end of S1, all the innies manage to jailbreak themselves into the outside world.  They see tha they have family, siblings, Mark's innie finds out he had a wife that supposedly died, but then we find out that the floor shrink, Ms Casey is really his wife.  Burt and Irving are gay for each other.  Helly R's outie is a rich bitch, but her innie is a nice person and she has feelings for Mark S.  

They never really reveal much about the microdata, but it all seems very interesting.  I enjoyed S1.  

S2 is where I kinda fall of the cliff.  

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« Reply #603 on: April 08, 2025, 04:15:04 PM »
In S2, the innies have been punished.  At first, they are all fired after getting caught jailbreaking into their outies.  Then they bring them back, because they need them for the MDR.  Helly R is still rebellious, Ms Cobel has been fired.  Milkcheck is now the boss, and he tries being nice, but they basically shit on him, both the innies and the mysterious "board". They bring in a little asian girl, about 11-13 years old to be some kind of assistant.  They have an outing, where the innies are taken on a hike and team building exercise.  Burt tries to kill Helly R after he figures out it's really her outie on the hike.  Burt gets fired.  Helly R "outie" sleeps with Mark S "innie" before he finds out.  

There are some people in the severed floor who take care of goats, and they act and talk weird.  Burt's outie meets Irvings outie and they start seeing each other, even though Burt has another boyfriend.  They have dinner together.  It's weird.  

Helly R's innie sleeps with Mark S innie.  Mark is trying to rescue Gemma.  His sister is helping him, but his brother in law now sides with Lumen.   

Eventually it is revealed that the MDR is some kind of way to bring somebody back, presumably the old guy who founded Lumen, his name is Kier and he seems to be revered.  Gemma is undergoing something else, she is progressing through some kind of stages.  When Mark S hits 100% on a certain level Gemma will basically cease to exist.  Mark S innie and outie are at odds with each other because one loves Helly, and one loves Gemma.  

At the end of the show, Mark S rescues Gemma and sends her out, but chooses to stay in with Helly R.  The goat people save their goat, who was going to be sacrificed or something.  It appears that Kier was being reserructed, but that got stopped?  Not sure.  

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« Reply #604 on: April 08, 2025, 04:16:20 PM »
Anyways, like I said, I was pretty confused the whole time for S2.  

I couldn't really figure out WTF was going on with Gemma?  And what was the deal with the little asian girl?  

Were they trying to reserruct Kier, and what did goats have to do with it?  

What was supposed to happen to Gemma?  

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« Reply #605 on: April 08, 2025, 05:27:29 PM »
You mentioned you frequently don't watch closely, so I have to ask, how close were you paying attention?  You've got a lot of big things right and a lot of the smaller details wrong.  

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« Reply #606 on: April 08, 2025, 05:46:41 PM »
Anyways, like I said, I was pretty confused the whole time for S2. 

I couldn't really figure out WTF was going on with Gemma? 

She's being held hostage in the floor below the regular severed floor.  They take her into various rooms where separate innies are activated for that particular room.  So unlike the severed people we're familiar with who only have one innie, Gemma has a slew of different innies.  Each room is a stressful or unpleasant situation.  Presumably Lumen is testing to see that the severance technology holds up under stress and that memories don't bleed through, and may intend that to be a main function of the implant (like the senator's pregnant wife who didn't feel like going through childbirth, so she made her innie do it).  But that's a bit speculative at this point.  Each of the rooms she goes into have names that correspond to files Mark S has completed throughout season 1 and 2.  Indicating the numbers he quarantines may somehow be memories, or maybe personality traits that are being removed for each room's innie.  Don't overlook how the 4 categories the MDR team classifies the number clusters into are the same 4 "tempers" Kier identified in his work.  (They're also represented by the 4 dancers in that hyper-creepy scene from Dylan's waffle party.)

And what was the deal with the little asian girl? 

They don't specifically say, but they do say she's trying to get the same "fellowship" or whatever they call it that Cobel/Mrs. Selvig got when she was a kid, as revealed in her backstory episode.  The doctor lady who was helping Mark on the outside to re-integrate once said about Cobel "They raised her, she's Lumen through and through."  That seems to indicate whatever's going on with this Asian kid.  Like Cobel, she's being groomed to be a true disciple, and probably shows a lot of promise, since that fellowship is supposed to be prestigious, it seems (according to Lumen).  

Were they trying to reserruct Kier, and what did goats have to do with it? 

I think it's heavily indicated, though not yet explicitly stated, that The Board is Kier and his descendants, although how and where they're still alive, I don't know.  Maybe their consciousnesses are stored in a severance-type chip.  I don't know if they're trying to resurrect them into new bodies, but that seems plausible.  They haven't explained the goats, other than just as some kind of sacrificial offering.  There's a ton of fan theories about that, but I don't think the show has explained it.  

What was supposed to happen to Gemma? 

The creepy doctor was told when Gemma completed the Cold Harbor room, he would have to say goodbye to her.  It wasn't clear whether that meant they would kill her, or delete her original personality, or if it just meant that he wouldn't be able to see her anymore.  She asked the doctor herself what would happen to her when she was finished, and he told her "You will see the world.  And the world will see you."  Lots more fan theories about that too, but again, it hasn't been explained yet.  

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« Reply #607 on: April 08, 2025, 05:49:31 PM »
OK I'm only about S1E6 so y'all just throw me an @ whenever you decide you're done spoiling the show you begged me to watch... 

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Re: OT - TV shows and Movies
« Reply #608 on: April 08, 2025, 06:27:52 PM »
You mentioned you frequently don't watch closely, so I have to ask, how close were you paying attention?  You've got a lot of big things right and a lot of the smaller details wrong. 
Well, like I said. Season 1 was at least a couple of years ago. I just simply don’t remember a lot of what happened. I freely admit that sometimes I just watch passively, I often need to rewind certain parts and rewatch because I didn’t catch something the first time. I really blame this from relatively recent times for me because of streaming and the ability to pause and go back. I never had a real DVR before streaming, now that I stream I find I watch it differently. 


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« Reply #609 on: April 08, 2025, 06:35:57 PM »
With Gemma, at times it seemed like her outie was present. She knew she wanted out, but when she attempted to leave, her mind would pass into her innie. I guess I didn’t completely pick up on the multiple innie situation, it sorta seemed like she was zombiefied. 

Anyways, like I said, things seemed to skip around a bunch. I may rewatch S1 and 2 just to try and keep up with everything. 

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« Reply #610 on: April 08, 2025, 07:30:53 PM »
Anybody excited for S2 of The Last of Us ? 

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« Reply #611 on: April 08, 2025, 09:47:36 PM »
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« Reply #612 on: April 09, 2025, 09:34:40 AM »
With Gemma, at times it seemed like her outie was present. She knew she wanted out, but when she attempted to leave, her mind would pass into her innie. I guess I didn’t completely pick up on the multiple innie situation, it sorta seemed like she was zombiefied.

Anyways, like I said, things seemed to skip around a bunch. I may rewatch S1 and 2 just to try and keep up with everything.

The Gemma between the rooms they take her into is her outtie, Mark's wife.  She is aware she's a prisoner, she's not happy about it, and she knows Mark and remembers their life together.  

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Re: OT - TV shows and Movies
« Reply #613 on: April 09, 2025, 10:35:11 AM »
Re: Severance - Gigem

I'm going to try to keep this as concise as possible, and Mike already did a good job of addressing most of your posts. But first, I'll pile on and say half-heartedly watching the episodes cannot lead to a full understanding and appreciation of the show. There are multiple instances where a line or two of dialogue provides a great deal of context going back (or forward) several episodes, even across seasons. The use of color (blue, red, and purple) creates a theme throughout the show. The use of sound, or in one specific instance, the lack of sound provided a significant clue to what is happening.

OK, moving on to larger themes.

First, why was the chip created? I agree with Mike that it hasn't been completely explained, and fan theory has morphed as the episodes were released. After first learning Gemma was alive, I think it was assumed Lumon is trying to reanimate Kier's consciousness and Gemma is a guinea pig for that. That may still be the case, but by the end of S2, it seems Lumon is trying to create a mass market procedure that will allow the public (or maybe just the elites who can afford it) the luxury of outsourcing their pain.

But what was the initial intent? Was it to merely isolate and block pain from a person's consciousness and the creating of a new consciousness in the person was an unintended consequence? Or was the new consciousness part of the product design? I personally think it was unintended, and the elders saw this as an opportunity to resurrect Kier, while severance floor managers and testing floor are dealing with the realities of the situation.

S1:
a) Introducing a new, weird world. More and more questions are introduced with very few answers. I understand why some viewers have difficulty getting invested.

b) We see the innies move from childhood to early adolescence.

S2:
a) We start to get some explanations for the questions introduced in S1, but also open new weird doors into what Lumon's world is. I think the writers get a little too broad with this and should have focused on fewer themes. I'm sure even more will be explained in S3, but I understand where this could lose some folks.

b)We see the innies move into full-on teenage mode. Indignant, rebellious, arrogant.

Remaining questions / plot holes:

a) If iMark is working on Gemma, and that's the only project that is essential, who/what are the other innies working on? And why is Mark's department so successful at MDRing while other MDR departments around the world are so bad at it?

b) We got backstories on all the innies and Cobel, but Irving's motivation for severance was not completely explained. His outie was clearly trying to infiltrate Lumon, but why? It is unclear whether Irving has been written out of the show, or if will get some flashbacks. I have been wondering how long John Turturro could commit to this project...

c) Plot hole: If iMark shows up at the birthing cabin, that would mean he should show up in all severance places. Yet, oMark rescues iGemma from Cold Harbor. That shouldn't have happened, and it was the only major gaff I've noticed.

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« Reply #614 on: April 09, 2025, 10:40:20 AM »
Re: Severance - Gigem

I'm going to try to keep this as concise as possible, and Mike already did a good job of addressing most of your posts. But first, I'll pile on and say half-heartedly watching the episodes cannot lead to a full understanding and appreciation of the show. There are multiple instances where a line or two of dialogue provides a great deal of context going back (or forward) several episodes, even across seasons. The use of color (blue, red, and purple) creates a theme throughout the show. The use of sound, or in one specific instance, the lack of sound provided a significant clue to what is happening.

If it engages me enough, I'll put my full attention to it.  I just simply find it slightly interesting so I watch it half-heartedly in turn.  

I really enjoy sci fi type shows like Foundation, For all Mankind, Silo (Apple TV really has some great Sci Fi).  I also enjoy dystopian future shows like Mad Max and Book of Eli.  

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« Reply #615 on: April 09, 2025, 11:19:59 AM »
Remaining questions / plot holes:

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b) We got backstories on all the innies and Cobel, but Irving's motivation for severance was not completely explained. His outie was clearly trying to infiltrate Lumon, but why? It is unclear whether Irving has been written out of the show, or if will get some flashbacks. I have been wondering how long John Turturro could commit to this project...

c) Plot hole: If iMark shows up at the birthing cabin, that would mean he should show up in all severance places. Yet, oMark rescues iGemma from Cold Harbor. That shouldn't have happened, and it was the only major gaff I've noticed.


b)  I don't think they would've introduced as much as they did about oIrving if they didn't intend on continuing the thread.  His character doesn't make a lot of sense if his story ends here and I have enough faith in the writers to think he'll be back.  Plus, I haven't heard anything about Turturro leaving the show.  But you're right, his last scenes in s2e9 could be taken to mean he's just riding off into the sunset and the way it played out, I don't fault anyone for wondering about it. 

c)  I think Cobel said during the planning phase that Gemma's floor wouldn't affect oMark.  Only the regular severance floor will produce iMark.  What seems plausible to me is that most severed people are binary.....oPerson and iPerson, and that's what the birthing cabins are built for as well.  Gemma is a special case.  They're testing a lot of stuff on her which includes rooms that produce a multitude of different iGemma's, so the technology controlling her rooms can't be binary.  Thus, her floor may operate differently and so it would make sense that it doesn't affect Mark's chip the same way. 


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EDIT:  I like your naming convention of iName and oName.  Clever, useful, simple, and I'm stealing it, as you can see. 

What do you think about the numbers MDR groups and files?  I've heard some theories that Lumon has the ability to alter perception, and the numbers are just how the innies perceive something much more complicated.  As in, maybe they're really seeing pictures of memories, or something like that.  They're clearly either memories or emotions, but we don't yet know why they appear to be groups of numbers, or exactly how it builds the severed personalities, or like you said, why they're good at it and other MDR groups haven't been.  iMark said in s1 when he was training Helly that some of the numbers may make her feel uncomfortable or even afraid.  Some people have theorized that while they only consciously see numbers, they may actually be looking at horrific memories, or something like that.  
  
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