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MikeDeTiger

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« Reply #462 on: February 24, 2025, 10:23:54 AM »
it's a very well done show, that probably should be 6 episodes instead of 8.  How she didnt win an Emmy, Ill never understand

Finished it over the weekend.  Agree, very well done show.  Final episode was crazy, but I kinda saw it coming in that the show was so well done that I trusted the showrunners to make the Penguin as rotten of a villain as they could, and his final actions wound up being some of the things I thought of when I asked myself "what is the worst thing he could wind up doing?"

Even still, to watch it play out was great. 

It seems a tad disjointed within the context of The Batman movie where he was introduced.  The Batman takes place prior to The Penguin, and it seems like he's a bigger deal in The Batman whereas it seems he's kinda starting from closer to the bottom and he's not a respected commodity in The Penguin.  That could have explanations I'm not thinking of, or it could be a bit of a re-working of the character to make a more interesting show (that's not unheard of for spin-offs), but in either case I'm definitely overthinking it and it was one of the better shows I've seen in a while. 

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« Reply #463 on: February 24, 2025, 10:46:50 AM »
Watched "Zero Day" on Netflix over the weekend.

6 parts about 50 minutes each.

I recommend.  

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« Reply #464 on: February 24, 2025, 03:45:11 PM »
Waiting for the new season of Severance to finish, then we'll cut on Apple TV for a month and watch it.  I hope the new season holds up to the standard the first season set.  s1 was one of the best shows I've come across in some time.  

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« Reply #465 on: February 24, 2025, 04:21:58 PM »
Waiting for the new season of Severance to finish, then we'll cut on Apple TV for a month and watch it.  I hope the new season holds up to the standard the first season set.  s1 was one of the best shows I've come across in some time. 

I just started Severance last night.  Made it through the first 5 or 6 episodes.

Eager to watch more tonight.  It is odd, eerie, and uncomfortable.  

And I yearn for more.....

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« Reply #466 on: February 24, 2025, 04:25:34 PM »
Without giving anything away, i.e. no spoilers, what's the basic premise for Severance? 

I told my wife I'd heard it was good, but without having the first clue what it's about, don't necessarily want to truly advocate to add it to our watching list... 

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« Reply #467 on: February 24, 2025, 04:28:13 PM »
I just started Severance last night.  Made it through the first 5 or 6 episodes.

Eager to watch more tonight.  It is odd, eerie, and uncomfortable. 

And I yearn for more.....

It's one of those shows where I actually enjoyed going down the fandom rabbit hole a little bit and checking out a slew of fan-theory videos on YouTube, reading blogs, etc.  They certainly catch a lot of details from the show that I missed, and it adds a lot of appreciation for just how much effort the creators put into that first season.  And it also adds a lot of interest and anticipation in the possible plotlines that are forthcoming. 

Best of all, for my particular proclivities, the show indirectly asks some mind-bending ethical questions, as well as some super-interesting philosophical questions about the nature of self and identity.  And there's a lot of fan-created content concerning that stuff as well.  



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« Reply #468 on: February 24, 2025, 04:31:07 PM »
Without giving anything away, i.e. no spoilers, what's the basic premise for Severance?

I told my wife I'd heard it was good, but without having the first clue what it's about, don't necessarily want to truly advocate to add it to our watching list...


You might not find this helpful, but imo it's best to go into the first episode not knowing anything.  The premise of the show wouldn't spoil anything as far as the overall plot and direction, but it would definitely subtract from the mind-bending curveballs they throw at you in the first episode.  Once you know, that'd be over with, and I valued that from my first watch.

Wife and I later re-watched s1 with her brother when he came to visit, and episode 1 noticeably lacked the WTF? factor since I already understood the premise of the show.  

But if you don't care about that, I'll tell you what the show is about.   

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« Reply #469 on: February 24, 2025, 05:10:01 PM »
Ok... Point taken. I guess if we start it, we'll go in blind. 

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« Reply #470 on: February 24, 2025, 05:13:56 PM »
I just started Severance last night.  Made it through the first 5 or 6 episodes.

Eager to watch more tonight.  It is odd, eerie, and uncomfortable. 

And I yearn for more.....
THink it might finish like LOST with a disappointing ending. 

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« Reply #471 on: February 24, 2025, 05:38:25 PM »
THink it might finish like LOST with a disappointing ending.

I hope not, but it has crossed my mind.  A number of shows from the last several years have started out great and then not be able to keep up the standard they set early on.

LOST, to me, actually kept its quality in most areas.  It just got extremely rudderless and directionless by the third season, and it was apparent that the showrunners had no idea where the show was going, no grand plot in mind from the beginning.  

Later I would learn that's a JJ Abrams hallmark.  Take over something, get it kick-started with a lot of excitement, turn it over to somebody else and bail after a little bit, leaving them with a bunch of mystery-boxes you thought up and had zero clue where they would lead, but not care, 'cuz you're on to the next thing, lol.  

Even later I would learn from one of the two main showrunners of Lost say in an interview that neither of them had much experience at the time, and Abrams just dumped all this stuff in their lap that he'd stuffed into the first few episodes, and basically said "See what you can do with this."  They were further done in by ABC, which had originally ordered a limited run series from Abrams' company, and so the show was always sort of meant to be a one-off, single season story.  Due to its quick and massive popularity, ABC turned around and told them "This is great!  Give us multiple seasons worth!"  At which point they were like "Crap.  We don't have a story built for that."  So they wound up continually adding new mystery boxes and stuffing all new plot contrivances into the mix.  

Frankly, I'm surprised the show stayed as good as it did, considering all that.  Also, I always noted for its critics that most of the mysteries from early on in the show actually did eventually get answered.....it's just that the show never quit introducing mysteries, right to the very end, and ultimately had no hope of wrapping every little thing up.  It felt like by the end they were just trying to wrap up a character-driven story that landed emotionally.  And I think they succeeded in that.  It's just that for plot-Nazis like me, they were always gonna be doomed by the untangleable web they had woven.  

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« Reply #472 on: February 24, 2025, 07:30:26 PM »
MDT needs to not read this one...

I really enjoyed season one of Silo and Severance. Two really good options on Apple+. I've only just started the next season of Severance, and when they did the recap, I realized there was a lot I had forgotten about season 1. I should go back and watch it again, but I'm nonetheless enjoying season 2 so far.

One thing BRAD: Severance is slow to build. It's kind of refreshing in today's media environment, but it's also notable: it isn't a quick burn.

I haven't gotten to Silo season 2 (which I think has started), but I'll get there once I catch up on some other stuff (Severance is first, then I may want to take a short break from the sci-fi).

BRAD: I don't know if I agree with MDT (there, that's better) on not knowing anything about Severance, but the basic premise is explained in episode 1, I think. It's sci-fi set in basically modern day. (The cars are dated, but the day-to-day tech (like phones) isn't.) 

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« Reply #473 on: February 25, 2025, 11:27:36 AM »
1.a. & 1.b. Later I would learn that's a JJ Abrams hallmark.  Take over something, get it kick-started with a lot of excitement, turn it over to somebody else and bail after a little bit, leaving them with a bunch of mystery-boxes you thought up and had zero clue where they would lead, but not care, 'cuz you're on to the next thing, lol. 

2. Even later I would learn from one of the two main showrunners of Lost say in an interview that neither of them had much experience at the time, and Abrams just dumped all this stuff in their lap that he'd stuffed into the first few episodes, and basically said "See what you can do with this."  They were further done in by ABC, which had originally ordered a limited run series from Abrams' company, and so the show was always sort of meant to be a one-off, single season story.  Due to its quick and massive popularity, ABC turned around and told them "This is great!  Give us multiple seasons worth!"  At which point they were like "Crap.  We don't have a story built for that."  So they wound up continually adding new mystery boxes and stuffing all new plot contrivances into the mix.

1.a. Jar Jar Abrams believes himself a cinematic visionary that deserves to get paid for the idea, as soon as the idea occurs to him, while everybody else gets stuck with the heavy lifting of aggrandizing his ideas into digestible film. And for the last 10 years Jar Jar Abrams isn't even capable of visionary excitement. Jar Jar Abrams as a visionary went out the window about a decade ago when Disney cast him as director of the Force Awakens. Jar Jar Abrams' vision for Star War went no further than reformulating the story from New Hope. But in defense of Jar Jar Abrams, the studio (Disney) micromanaged the heck out of the new Star Wars trilogy.

1.b. Notice I specify Jar Jar Abrams as cast as director. This is not an admitted practice, but the current practice of studios casting directors and producers illustrates how the working relationship between directors and studios has flipped. Before Hollywood became overly corporatized about 15 years ago, it was the director who helmed the creative vision for the film to include finalizing the script and pre-casting the actors they wanted. The directors would then solicit their plans with the studios. In turn, bankrolling by the studio granted the studio a certain amount of leverage with the script, casting, and other creative decisions. This leverage was mediated by the producers, and it was usually understood the director was a 51% shareholder. Fast forward to now and the studios are where ideas for films originate, and their plans are almost always an endless repackaging of an existing franchise. Because a franchise, such as Indiana Jones, are treated as too valuable to fully entrust to the creative vision of any one director, directors are now cast as dispensably as supporting actors, with the understanding that the studio fully controls the product. And Jar Jar Abrams is a very cast-able (controllable) director.

2. Not sure how many of us have noticed by now, but Netflix's original content is at its best and most culturally relevant when intended as a limited series. Queen's Gambit, Monsters, A Nearly Normal Family, Stranger Things S1, Squid Games S1, One Piece S1, WandaVision (Disney+). It's Netflix's second seasons where quality noticeably drops off; like feature films, second seasons also fall under the sequel syndrome. Netflix knows this but it's difficult to turn down the astronomical demand for a season 2 following the S1 success of a show like Squid Games.

A newly released show I'm currently watching is Paradise (Hulu). Even though it's pulling from a few already well used Sci-Fi scenarios, it is so well executed as to be a thoroughly fascinating and satisfying watch. Currently Paradise is intended as a limited series - 8 total episodes. And without getting ahead of expectations, I can already sense a potential season 2 will feel forced.
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« Reply #474 on: February 25, 2025, 03:05:06 PM »
A newly released show I'm currently watching is Paradise (Hulu). Even though it's pulling from a few already well used Sci-Fi scenarios, it is so well executed as to be a thoroughly fascinating and satisfying watch. Currently Paradise is intended as a limited series - 8 total episodes. And without getting ahead of expectations, I can already sense a potential season 2 will feel forced.

I'll have to check it out.  I like Sterling K. Brown and usually enjoy the shows he does.  

Totally get what you're saying about the single-season format.  One of the best things Hulu has done in the last few years (imo) is Dopesick, and can you imagine trying to do a second season of that?  (I feel like I shouldn't even type that, because somebody out there is dumb enough to try.)

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« Reply #475 on: February 25, 2025, 03:18:34 PM »
BRAD: I don't know if I agree with MDT (there, that's better) on not knowing anything about Severance, but the basic premise is explained in episode 1, I think. It's sci-fi set in basically modern day. (The cars are dated, but the day-to-day tech (like phones) isn't.)

This doesn't get you off probation.  Your quota of disagreements must be met, no exceptions, as per our agreement.  

I agree that the show certainly appears to be set in modern day, but the cars thing is weird, isn't it?  Also there's the extreme retro vibe "inside" as opposed to "outside," which is of course intentional and meant to lead to something, but it is interesting.  

There's also the generous use of liminal space "inside," which I have no doubt is also very intentional, but I note that this is a common trope in some horror genres and especially psychological thriller type stuff, which I think gives a broader clue about what's going on and how the creators see the show, despite the fact most of it is a mundane slow-burn.  

The way I know a concept is really good and possibly freaky is if it messes with my dreams.  That happened with Severance....not nightmares per se, but odd and freaky dreams where the process had kinda happened to me, but also because it's a dream and dreams make no sense, I'm aware of the whole thing, so in my dream I know how weird and messed up it all is.  I had dreams like that about The Silence back from the 2011 season of Dr. Who, but you're probably not nerdy enough to be into that (so I'll go ahead and credit you with one disagreement there, pro bono).  It was somewhat of a similar concept, a situation where your memory is messed with, and I think my subconscious senses that there's major philosophical questions about identity lurking underneath stories like those.  I like anything entertaining enough, weird enough, and thought-provoking enough that it can mess with my dreams.  

 

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