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many scientists feel that dinosaurs were hot blooded so them being where it snows isnt that far fetched

as long as they had plenty of food they could have existed in such a climate

that's the thing, the pole climates were great for vegetation. no permafrost in those time periods, rich in moisture, with warm summers but cold, snowy winters. sounds very much like our current climates with dense populations of large fauna.

Ehhh.....articles like that are part of why people are so easily fooled nowadays.

It starts off with "imagine a T-Rex in the snow" and then goes on to specify smaller, feathered dinosaurs lived within a warmer arctic circle with no ice caps.
The Alaskan Tyrannosaur they found was the size of a polar bear and thought to be an adult. 
Well, it snows in Georgia, right?

So the mental image the article plants in your head needs to shrink the dinosaur down considerably and the snow it's walking through needs to be a dusting, as the ground didn't even freeze back then in such places.


Why does everything have to be so fucking misleading nowadays?  Oh right, because the mundane truth doesn't get any clicks.  Because the masses are infantile. 

Thanks for the reminder.

except it doesn't really. the article says it was warmer, says the dinos were smaller (even use polar bear size description), and probably usually feathery. but warmer doesn't mean hot.

i said they were smaller, though still not small. i wouldn't consider polar bears, the largest land carnivore today, small. which is about the average size of dinos from what i can tell. and just because 1 dino was smaller cousin of a famous dino doesn't mean all were small. Edmontosaurus is found there as well, which can grow to around 8-12 meters and 4-8 tonnes. vast majority were likely smaller dinos and feathery, but not all.

and georgia doesn't get months of snow like the cap circles likely got even in those periods. no ice caps, frozen tundra, etc. doesn't mean just a weekend dusting. it was still a 3-4 month long, no sun, harsh winter.

no one, not the article nor i, suggested they lived in similar climates to current caps. i was just refuting your hyperbole of dinos can't handle a little snow on the first cold night of winter.

are we likely to see a trex skiing down the slopes? no. but dinos in general wouldn't whither and die at the first sign of flurries. oxygen differences would probably be the larger issue anyway.

I remember reading a book by Robert Bakker - he's a paleontologist who pushed hard that dinosaurs were likely warm blooded. Apparently one of the Jurassic Park movies had a character based on him that got eaten by a T.Rex.

It's interesting how some people will be wary of modern science concerning an ongoing pandemic can be the same people with total belief in science based off of a jaw bone from tens of millions of years ago.

It's just interesting.

One can support either side with facts on things like gun control, absolutely, but the support would be factual and not emotional and false.  This lady's letter was replete with false information and an emotional appeal (to a very conservative Congressman, so it was moot).  She could have supported her case with fact, but it would have required some effort.  

What I usually see is emotional nonsense and hyperbolic attacks on "the other side".  That really illustrates a common problem, if you try and dig into a topic like this, you can get confused and less certain.  Folks prefer certainty over facts.

Facts get confusing and muddled when all the data are discussed.

The good news is- it is easy to spot when it appears.  The bad news is- we are surrounded by it.

what gets passed as “science “ is laughable. 

You mean what gets misinterpreted as "science" is laughable, don't you?

You may know this already, but
A - science isn't static
B - science doesn't proclaim truth, just the best understanding for the available evidence
C - is contributed to by regular human beings who can be influenced, leaned on, or crooked


Fauci made the call to say masks weren't necessary because he was worried the people who needed them most wouldn't get them.  You can argue either way if that was the right thing to do, but he chose to mislead.

The CDC was influenced by the Trump administration to alter its messaging to the public.  We know this now. 


Those who don't "get" science or are too wary of it's messages think it should all be thrown out based on rare, isolated imperfections.  This is foolish.


What makes science the best method we have is:
A - time.....time reveals our errors and lies
B - peer review....falsifiability, evidence, studies, reports, reproduceable experiments....actual peer review, NOT this silly religious university only "peer reviewing" this other silly religious university


The people who don't have time for what the passage of time reveals and for multiple peer-reviewed studies are a big problem.  You can't speed this stuff up.  Sorry!

So, anyone seen any good movies or TV shows lately?