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MikeDeTiger · « **Reply #574 on:** March 25, 2025, 01:30:48 PM »

Quote from: Gigem on March 25, 2025, 12:24:09 PM

I did find the initial premise intriguing.

Yeah, the premise is great. It's a trope that works well and has been used in other places, like the Fallout show (which is great), which I think was based on a video-game, and going all the way back to a children's fiction novel by H.M. Hoover called This Time of Darkness, and possibly before. I loved that book, btw. I didn't know what to call it at the time or what worked about it for me, but it was my first taste of the dystopian genre. And of course, the setting being an underground civilization with classes based on how far up or down they live, who hate each other, and they're all trapped in there because the world outside is supposed to be toxic and unlivable, was super cool too (now that I think about it, Silo really lifted that idea).

Which is why it's disappointing to see several elements of the show not live up to its potential. One of the weirdest things about it is how much more likeable and relatable Sheriff Holston and his wife Allison are in the first episode than everyone who comes after them. Their lines are better written, their story causes you to invest in them more, and they were flat-out better actors. When they turn out not to be the main characters after ep. 1, it declines. That first episode was at least a 9 out of 10 imo. By mid-s2 this show is a 6, 7 at best. There are also some significant plot holes/ret-cons from s1 that are like "WTF?"

And Common/Sims all by himself is a 3. That dude should be nowhere near a show of supposed quality. Needs to stick to music.

Gigem · « **Reply #575 on:** March 25, 2025, 03:08:02 PM »

Quote from: MikeDeTiger on March 25, 2025, 01:30:48 PM

Yeah, the premise is great. It's a trope that works well and has been used in other places, like the Fallout show (which is great), which I think was based on a video-game, and going all the way back to a children's fiction novel by H.M. Hoover called This Time of Darkness, and possibly before. I loved that book, btw. I didn't know what to call it at the time or what worked about it for me, but it was my first taste of the dystopian genre. And of course, the setting being an underground civilization with classes based on how far up or down they live, who hate each other, and they're all trapped in there because the world outside is supposed to be toxic and unlivable, was super cool too (now that I think about it, Silo really lifted that idea).

Which is why it's disappointing to see several elements of the show not live up to its potential. One of the weirdest things about it is how much more likeable and relatable Sheriff Holston and his wife Allison are in the first episode than everyone who comes after them. Their lines are better written, their story causes you to invest in them more, and they were flat-out better actors. When they turn out not to be the main characters after ep. 1, it declines. That first episode was at least a 9 out of 10 imo. By mid-s2 this show is a 6, 7 at best. There are also some significant plot holes/ret-cons from s1 that are like "WTF?"

And Common/Sims all by himself is a 3. That dude should be nowhere near a show of supposed quality. Needs to stick to music.

In the book, Common's character has very little page time (don't know what you call it?). In the series, he's a major character. To me, the main difference between a show like Fallout (loved this one too) and Silo is that the people in the shelter in Fallout pretty much knew how they got there, and there is a silliness to it that lets you excuse some major plot holes.

In Silo there appears to be a divergence from the book in that AI appears to actually be pulling the strings. In the books there is not much in the way of AI.

MikeDeTiger · « **Reply #576 on:** March 25, 2025, 03:21:12 PM »

Guess I haven't gotten that far yet. s2e6 is up next and I haven't seen anything about AI, that I recall.

In spite of your earlier criticisms of the 2nd and 3rd books, would you still recommend the series? I love reading but currently I have so little time for it, I don't want to spend it on inferior works.

MikeDeTiger · « **Reply #577 on:** March 25, 2025, 04:52:25 PM »

While we have Apple TV this month, we're also watching The Last Days of Ptolemy Grey. Not all the acting is A-level, but Samuel L. Jackson is so good in it that he makes up for anybody else in the scene who might be lacking. The pacing is slow at times but I actually only notice it in retrospect, because while I'm watching a scene, it's well done and Jackson's character is so interesting that it doesn't feel like it drags.

Walton Goggins is also in it, but he's kind of wasted with a flatly written character. IMO his best use is as a crazy/unhinged/volatile/dangerous character, one where you never know when he might pop off. He's plays a good villain....see: Justified, Fallout, The Shield, The Hateful Eight. Something about him doesn't seem to lend itself to normal characters.

Gigem · « **Reply #578 on:** March 27, 2025, 02:32:54 PM »

Quote from: MikeDeTiger on March 25, 2025, 03:21:12 PM

Guess I haven't gotten that far yet. s2e6 is up next and I haven't seen anything about AI, that I recall.

In spite of your earlier criticisms of the 2nd and 3rd books, would you still recommend the series? I love reading but currently I have so little time for it, I don't want to spend it on inferior works.

They were decent reads. They kind of finish the story from the first book. IMO, the first book is the best because it kinda leaves a lot of mystery.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #579 on:** March 28, 2025, 12:41:19 PM »

Remember when the Food Network spun off the Cooking Channel because the Food Network wasn't showing anything with cooks showing you how to, actually, ya know, cook?

Well, traveling and spending time in hotels leaves me with something to look for on linear channel TV, and the Cooking Channel, every time I've tuned to it, it's been food/restaurant travel shows. Man v. Food, Andrew Zimmern's bizarre food thing, and Michael Symon's Burgers, Brews, and Cue.

Not that those shows are bad... But I thought it was supposed to be the Cooking Channel. I.e. recipe shows.

When did this change?

utee94 · « **Reply #580 on:** March 28, 2025, 12:47:00 PM »

I don't know, it's been a while though. Pretty impossible to find actual cooking shows on linear TV anymore. It's all either those stupid competition/reality shows, or shows that review restaurants like DDD. Neither of those, are really my thing.

Same thing happened to HGTV, which used to show actual home improvement/home design stuff, with a lot of DIY focus. Then they switched to stupid reality/competition shows, but moved a lot of their actual home improvement content, to the DIY Network. But then the last I checked, the DIY Network had followed suit, and there was no home improvement/design/DIY content to be found anywhere. I don't even know if DIY network is still around.

You can obviously find a lot of that type of stuff on Youtube, and also on some of those rando free channels you see on the Roku or Firestick. But it's just about impossible to find on linear TV.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #581 on:** March 28, 2025, 02:47:45 PM »

Quote from: utee94 on March 28, 2025, 12:47:00 PM

I don't know, it's been a while though. Pretty impossible to find actual cooking shows on linear TV anymore. It's all either those stupid competition/reality shows, or shows that review restaurants like DDD. Neither of those, are really my thing.

Same thing happened to HGTV, which used to show actual home improvement/home design stuff, with a lot of DIY focus. Then they switched to stupid reality/competition shows, but moved a lot of their actual home improvement content, to the DIY Network. But then the last I checked, the DIY Network had followed suit, and there was no home improvement/design/DIY content to be found anywhere. I don't even know if DIY network is still around.

You can obviously find a lot of that type of stuff on Youtube, and also on some of those rando free channels you see on the Roku or Firestick. But it's just about impossible to find on linear TV.

5 years, at least.

MikeDeTiger · « **Reply #582 on:** March 28, 2025, 03:04:10 PM »

Seems to be the trend with those old cable channels.

MTV played music when I was a kid, but by the time I was in high school the music videos were all relegated to a couple of small programming blocks, often late in the evening, while everything else was mostly Real World and spring break beach house crap, or Beavis and Butthead (which I did not mind). By the time I was in college, music videos were pretty much only found on TRL, in which they were heavily truncated and hardly the point of the show. I always thought Carson Daly sounded goofy on TRL talking about "That's the 3rd most popular video this week..." Really? On what? Certainly not on MTV, because you don't play videos. Where are people seeing these music videos and ranking them? So the company launched M2, or MTV2 (I forget how it was branded at the time), which played music videos 24/7 and got back to what MTV was originally supposed to be. My college roommate and I loved it, along with a channel that had also come along about the same time called Much Music.

After college I didn't get MTV2 for a long time, and by the time I did have it again, I found it was also taken over by a bunch of bullcrap that was not music videos.

Same thing happened to VH1 as well.

It's not so much that I mourn the absence of music videos, because I mostly don't care about new artists/bands or their videos, if they bother to do them. What I mourn is that there is apparently a market for the absolute crap tv that lives on the channels which used to play music videos. In 2009 when Michael Jackson died a bunch of high school girls from my hometown were complaining on facebook about how MTV had suspended regular programming and was playing his music videos all day and talking about him. They were incensed that some bullshit apparently called "16 and pregnant" was being bumped in favor of "talking about someone nobody remembers or cares about." I had to look up what they were even talking about, and when I saw it was a reality show about exactly what it sounds like, I realized I didn't care if their older siblings or parents were my friends or if they knew me from church or whatever....they were idiots and they all got unfriended.

I never watched much CMT, but I believe the same thing happened to that too.

MrNubbz · « **Reply #583 on:** March 28, 2025, 03:46:58 PM »

Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on March 28, 2025, 12:41:19 PM

and the Cooking Channel, every time I've tuned to it, it's been food/restaurant travel shows. Man v. Food, Andrew Zimmern's bizarre food thing, and Michael Symon's Burgers, Brews, and Cue.

Fermented walrus colon,I mean c'mon even the writers for South Park or Two and Half Men wouldn't think of that. Watched one episode where he was in Taiwan I think eating something called Green Stinky Tofu. Ya had to see it - started LMAO then almost hurled watching Zimmern almost hurling

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #584 on:** March 30, 2025, 09:13:21 AM »

Every single one of you who sees the opening scene in the newest 1923 episode will think of me.

MikeDeTiger · « **Reply #585 on:** March 31, 2025, 10:28:36 AM »

Friday night Mrs. DeTiger and I watched Judgement At Nuremberg (1961) for the first time.

It featured Spencer Tracy and Burt Lancaster, which I knew, and also Judy Garland which kinda-sorta rang a bell but I'm not sure if I knew she was in it. It also featured a young Captain Kirk, which I definitely did not know.

Back before he boldly went where no man had gone before (to make out with aliens no human had before).

Good movie, great theme. Seems relevant for today, but to say more than that, it would probably need to be on the Catch-All thread.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #586 on:** March 31, 2025, 10:35:59 AM »

BTW I just saw a trailer for a movie Holland with a starring trio of Nicole Kidman, Matthew McFadyen, and Gael Garcia Bernal.

Three leads, who aren't American, who all have distinct accents from their home countries... All playing Americans in Michigan with American accents...

Don't know anything else about it... Seems from the trailer like something I wouldn't enjoy. Just thought that was funny though.

MikeDeTiger · « **Reply #587 on:** March 31, 2025, 10:41:58 AM »

Last night we watched Wolfs with Clooney and Pitt, since we've got Apple TV this month.

I thought it was pretty good for what it was. It almost reminded me of some of those old Guy Ritchie movies, but not quite. A lot of the movie is just the two of them talking to each other, so if you like them as actors and like their screen presence, it's probably a fun 2 hrs. If not, you probably shouldn't bother.

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