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Topic: OT Tourney (Final 4) - Appetite for Destruction vs. Nevermind

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Re: OT Tourney (Final 4) - Appetite for Destruction vs. Nevermind
« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2019, 01:05:11 PM »
I liked Nirvana alright, but certainly not Greatest of all Time. 
Voting for Nirvana here doesn't require one to think Nevermind is the best of all time, just that it beats GnR's.

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Re: OT Tourney (Final 4) - Appetite for Destruction vs. Nevermind
« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2019, 01:11:38 PM »
Voting for Nirvana here doesn't require one to think Nevermind is the best of all time, just that it beats GnR's.

It is neither the best of all time, nor better than GnR's AfD.  It doesn't deserve to make it to the championship finals, on its own merits, or compared to GnR.

Obviously my opinion, I'm absolutely comfortable with it.

Like I said, I liked it ok.  I don't have the reverence for it that many my age did, and still do.  I was a college freshman when it came out and I enjoyed it at the time, it was raw and different.  I still own it on CD and have it ripped to my digital library, but I never, ever find myself wanting to listen to it.

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Re: OT Tourney (Final 4) - Appetite for Destruction vs. Nevermind
« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2019, 01:17:32 PM »
Fwiw, I'm not objecting to labeling Nevermind as "decently good" as much as I am objecting to labeling AfD as "better." Also just an opinion. Also made comfortably. My dukes are not up.

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Re: OT Tourney (Final 4) - Appetite for Destruction vs. Nevermind
« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2019, 01:21:31 PM »
I'm gonna fight you anyway.  Be in the quad at 4 and prepare for an atomic wedgie.

Honestly, none of the final four are in my top 4 albums of all time.  I don't recall exactly what the elite 8 was, but I don't think they match any of my top 8 albums of all time, either.  Just the way the tourney works out.  As in sport, it's all about matchups. :)


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Re: OT Tourney (Final 4) - Appetite for Destruction vs. Nevermind
« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2019, 01:31:04 PM »
Heh - once the Stones got doubly booted, I started taking the album part more honestly and decided I'd vote for Dark Side until it stopped being an option. 

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Re: OT Tourney (Final 4) - Appetite for Destruction vs. Nevermind
« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2019, 01:38:55 PM »
AAA left it deliberately open as far as criteria, which is fine and appropriate for this kind of tourney/ranking/rating.  You could define best album as "best collection of hit songs" in which case Michael Jackson's Thriller is probably way up there, or as "best flowing from song-to-song," or any number of other methods.

For me, I chose to think about it in terms of-- "Which albums did I enjoy so much that I always played them all the way through, and never felt the need to skip a song, nor did I really even have a preferred side."  To me that is  COMPLETE album, and when I rate "best album" that's the way I think of it.  As opposed to being a collection of popular hit singles, which is also certainly a way to rank and rate them.

Honestly, Boston-Boston and The Cars The Cars are two of my favorite "complete" albums of all time.  Loved every song, album tracks as much as hits, and never felt the need to fast forward or skip anything.  If I started on Side B I was fine with that, too.


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Re: OT Tourney (Final 4) - Appetite for Destruction vs. Nevermind
« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2019, 02:46:00 PM »
My favorites have all been bopped out at this point. GnR are fine and Nirvana is fine. This is the basketball equivalent of a Iowa vs Minny game to get into the Big Dance. Its enjoyable but I dont care who wins. 

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Re: OT Tourney (Final 4) - Appetite for Destruction vs. Nevermind
« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2019, 03:44:16 PM »
Utee: Ah, by that definition my Stones votes are honest again. I also would have nominated Blood on the Tracks. Using a different definition, I've been leaning hard to Dark Side. as most honest for the the kind of album it is. I'd have a hard time putting it into words, but it's more about coherency and art than what is popular or I prefer.

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Re: OT Tourney (Final 4) - Appetite for Destruction vs. Nevermind
« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2019, 03:56:21 PM »
Honestly, Boston-Boston and The Cars The Cars are two of my favorite "complete" albums of all time.  Loved every song, album tracks as much as hits, and never felt the need to fast forward or skip anything.  If I started on Side B I was fine with that, too.


I hate to admit this, but I agree with Boston and the Cars

another album I could always listen start to finish was Rockihnroll by the Greg Kihn Band.
obviously not widely acclaimed 
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Re: OT Tourney (Final 4) - Appetite for Destruction vs. Nevermind
« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2019, 04:18:41 PM »
AAA left it deliberately open as far as criteria, which is fine and appropriate for this kind of tourney/ranking/rating.  You could define best album as "best collection of hit songs" in which case Michael Jackson's Thriller is probably way up there, or as "best flowing from song-to-song," or any number of other methods.

For me, I chose to think about it in terms of-- "Which albums did I enjoy so much that I always played them all the way through, and never felt the need to skip a song, nor did I really even have a preferred side."  To me that is  COMPLETE album, and when I rate "best album" that's the way I think of it.  As opposed to being a collection of popular hit singles, which is also certainly a way to rank and rate them.

Honestly, Boston-Boston and The Cars The Cars are two of my favorite "complete" albums of all time.  Loved every song, album tracks as much as hits, and never felt the need to fast forward or skip anything.  If I started on Side B I was fine with that, too.
To me, "coherent album" is important. Obviously Dark Side is that by far. There are a couple good hits on the album too, but when taken as a whole, it's just amazing. It fits together.

However, some of these albums were rating one collection of hits vs another. In that case, I saw some albums were too diluted. The double-albums, for example, were just too much filler for the songs that were well-known. And The Beatles, as I was researching it, was one of those later albums where all the artists were very selfish and trying to get their own songs and ideas represented, so it wasn't exactly a coherent album on top of being too large and too many duds to go with the hits.

Come to think of it, though, I wish Pearl Jam Ten had been on the list. I think that was a very coherent album, and even more "hits" than even Nevermind.

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Re: OT Tourney (Final 4) - Appetite for Destruction vs. Nevermind
« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2019, 04:24:23 PM »
^^^^^^

I'd definitely put Pearl Jam Ten above Nirvana Nevermind for "best album" consideration.  

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Re: OT Tourney (Final 4) - Appetite for Destruction vs. Nevermind
« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2019, 04:30:48 PM »
So would 🎵 Iiiiiiiiiii-Iiii-oooohhhhh-I 🎵 ... so would I. 
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Re: OT Tourney (Final 4) - Appetite for Destruction vs. Nevermind
« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2019, 04:45:32 PM »
Indeed.  I would have had Ten, and Odelay in here.  
Nevermind belongs too for reasons I advocated much earlier.

In total with these albums , personally I would have #1 Dark Side with a big gap over Rumours and Thriller.

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Re: OT Tourney (Final 4) - Appetite for Destruction vs. Nevermind
« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2019, 04:47:12 PM »
To me, this one came down to which album I think aged better. 

I think Nirvana was a more "important" album for musical history, to mainstream the grunge alternative sound. But I find myself changing the channel anytime Smells Like Teen Spirit or Come As You Are comes on the radio. Whereas Paradise City or Sweet Child O' Mine or Welcome to the Jungle are "turn it up and sing along" songs. 

To me Nirvana seems dated. And oddly, it seems dated in a way that I don't think applies to Pearl Jam Ten


 

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