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Topic: Revisiting best 2-loss teams of All-Time

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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Revisiting best 2-loss teams of All-Time
« Reply #28 on: February 04, 2025, 08:01:42 PM »
1995 Northwestern is an interesting team.  Great defense.  Crap passing game with only 1 receiving threat.  And lots of Darnell Autry, averaging 4.7 ypc.

Don't we all wish they beat Miami (OH)?  
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Re: Revisiting best 2-loss teams of All-Time
« Reply #29 on: February 05, 2025, 10:07:28 AM »
1990 Tennessee was a damn good team, loaded with talent.

Tough schedule -- finished 9-2-2 with a Sugar Bowl win.

And 2001 Tennessee should be included on this list for sure.

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Re: Revisiting best 2-loss teams of All-Time
« Reply #30 on: February 05, 2025, 02:46:20 PM »
For Ohio State the most recent team is obvious.  They had a one point road loss on the West Coast to a team that finished 13-1 and spent most of the year at #1.  Also, that loss was avenged with a 20 point beatdown in the CFP Quarter-Final/Rose Bowl.  

The other loss was a pretty much inexcusable home loss to a mediocre Michigan team but this team ended up with an all-time (for now) record number of wins over AP Top-5 opponents and if you look at the final poll, 2024 Ohio State:

  • beat #2 by 11
  • split with #3, losing by 1 on the road and winning by 20 at a neutral site
  • beat #4 by 14
  • beat #5 on the road 
  • beat #9 by 25
  • beat #10 by 23
With the 12-team CFP going forward that probably won't be too unusual but historically that is INSANE.  

2023:
This team finished 11-2 with a six point loss on the road to the eventual 15-0 NC and then an 11 point loss in a bowl game they didn't want to be in, without their starting QB.  This team was THISCLOSE to being in the CFP instead of Michigan so yeah, very good 2-loss team.  

2022:
This team finished 11-2 with a closer-than-the-score 22 point loss* to a cheating Michigan team that finished 13-1 (losing to the only decent team on their schedule that they didn't cheat against) and a one point loss to eventual NC Georgia in a game so close that Ohio State had a FG in the air as time expired that would have won it.  This team was THISCLOSE to a NC so yeah, very good 2-loss team.  

*I'm calling this "closer than the score" because it was a one score game midway through the fourth quarter then Michigan scored two late TD's to turn it into a blowout.  

2021 also had two losses but, IMHO, they weren't that good.  

2017 also had two losses but, IMHO, they weren't that good either.  

2016 same as above.  

2013 wasn't as good as the 2022-2024 2-loss teams but they finished with a 10 point loss (that was a REALLY close game) to MSU in the B1GCG and a five point loss to Clemson in the Sugar Bowl.  Both of those were games that easily could have gone the other way.  

2009 same as above.  

2007 I feel compelled to include because their losses were to a stout Illinois team and to LSU in the NC.  

2005 is probably one of the best 2-loss teams ever in terms of quality of losses.  They lost by a FG to eventual 13-0 NC Texas and by a TD on the road to a Penn State team that finished 11-1 and #3.  The losses were REALLY good but I think their only win over a team that finished ranked was the bowl win over Notre Dame.  

2003 same as above

1995 was a John Cooper special if there ever was one.  They got to 11-0 and #2 then gave up about a million yards to some human spelling bee in Ann Arbor and still only lost by one score then lost to Peyton Manning's 11-1 Vols in the Citrus Bowl.  A lot of older tOSU fans still call Tennessee "Tennecheat" because apparently the Vols wore cleats that didn't comply with regulations in that game.  In my view, it was a long time ago and I don't think Tennessee did it intentionally, we saw what real, premeditated, intentional cheating looks like more recently.  

1974 finished 10-2 with a "WTF" FG loss to MSU in East Lansing (MSU finished 7-3-1 and #12 so it wasn't THAT bad of a loss) and a one point loss in the Rose Bowl to a 10-1-1 USC team that finished #2.  Ohio State also handed Michigan their only loss of the year that year and Michigan finished 10-1.  

1972 is a lot like 1974.  They had a "WTF" loss to MSU in East Lansing (MSU finished 5-5-1) and they gave Michigan their only loss of the year.  They got blown out in the Rose Bowl but it was by a USC squad that finished 12-0 and #1 in the Nation.  


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Re: Revisiting best 2-loss teams of All-Time
« Reply #31 on: February 06, 2025, 10:43:26 PM »
Damn, and I thought UM under Bo was the king of 'almost.'  Maybe not.
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Re: Revisiting best 2-loss teams of All-Time
« Reply #32 on: February 07, 2025, 08:59:25 AM »

i was gonna compile a list of Husker 2-loss teams from the 70's, 80's, and 90's but I'm lazy

the 1-loss list is king of almost
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Re: Revisiting best 2-loss teams of All-Time
« Reply #33 on: February 07, 2025, 09:16:58 AM »
Damn, and I thought UM under Bo was the king of 'almost.'  Maybe not.
No, it is us.  

I posted a thread about AP Poll history and:
  • Ohio State has appeared in 999 out of 1,250 AP Polls, this is 72 more than #2 Michigan.  That lead of 72 appearances may not sound like much but consider that #2 Michigan is closer to #5 ND than they are to #1.  Looking at it another way, Ohio State's lead is roughly four full years worth of being ranked every single week.  
  • Ohio State has been ranked in the top-10 in 718 AP Polls.  Only the Buckeyes, Tide, and Sooners have been in the top-10 in more than half of the 1,250 AP Polls.  Ohio State's lead in top-10's is 81, even larger than their lead in total appearances.  
  • Ohio State has been ranked in the top-5 in more than one third of the AP Polls.  They have 447 top-5 appearances trailing only Alabama (463) and it is fairly close.  Oklahoma (431) has also been in more than one third of the AP Polls.  

Ohio State is the gold standard of consistency here.  They don't quite have the highs that Alabama and Oklahoma have but Ohio State's worst times are better than anybody's and it isn't remotely close.  If you ask Ohio State fans about the "bad times" they'll probably say the Cooper era and Earle 9-3 Bruce's decade.  Those weren't great but they were still good teams:

After Cooper's first four years (1988-1991) his teams were consistent league and even national contenders and consistently highly ranked.  

Bruce went 11-1 in his first year (1979) with a loss in the Rose Bowl as #1 to #3 USC.  After that his teams lost exactly three games each year for seven straight years.  Those years varied based on when the losses occurred.  In 1980, for example, they had an early OOC loss to UCLA and didn't lose again until losing the last two games.  Consequently, they were league and national contenders and in the top-10 pretty much all year.  Conversely, in 1982 their third loss was on October 9 so they spent most of the year unranked but finished #12 and on a seven game winning streak.  

When you are in the mix almost every year, you have a LOT of "almosts" and these two-loss seasons certainly aren't what most Ohio State fans think of when you ask about "almosts" that would be:
  • 2019 lost only to Clemson in a VERY close CFP Semi-Final.  
  • 2018 lost only to a mediocre Purdue team in a "WTF" game and missed the CFP.  
  • 2015 lost only to MSU and while MSU finished 12-2 they were nowhere near as good as Ohio State and shouldn't have won.  
  • 2010 lost only to Wisconsin.  
  • 1998 lost only to a mediocre MSU team and thus missed the inaugural BCSNCG.  This one actually stings even more now because Ohio State won the first 4-team and the first 12-team playoff so how cool would it be if they had also won the first 2-team playoff?  
  • 1996 lost only to a mediocre Michigan team and finished #2.  
  • 1993 lost only to a mediocre Michigan team (they did have a tie with UW also).  
  • 1979 lost only to USC in the Rose Bowl and it was by a single freaking point.  
  • 1975 lost only to UCLA in the Rose Bowl.  The annoying thing about this one is that we KNOW that Ohio State could (and should have) defeated UCLA because they actually DID beat this UCLA team in a blowout in early October in the Rose Bowl (stadium not game).  
  • 1973 the only blemish was a 10-10 tie with the Wolverines.  Ohio State blew out USC in the Rose Bowl and finished #2.  Note that the NC was Notre Dame who barely defeated USC in South Bend as compared to Ohio State whipping the Trojans in SoCal.  Also, Ohio State went into the Rose Bowl as #1 so presumably a win there means an NC.  
  • 1970 lost only to Stanford in the Rose Bowl.  
  • 1969 lost only to Michigan.  Note that Ohio State's 1968 NC team consisted mostly of sophomores so it was widely expected that they would three-peat with mostly the same players playing for the Buckeyes in 1969 and 1970.  They ended up two games from three-straight NC's.  
The above isn't even a complete list of Ohio State's 1-loss seasons.  I left out the ones where the loss wasn't close so it doesn't feel like an "almost".  


 

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