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Drew4UTk

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OT- Tesla or other EV
« on: October 20, 2021, 02:12:29 PM »
Does anyone here have one?  If so please PM me- I may, perhaps, have something for you.  

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Re: OT- Tesla or other EV
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2021, 03:16:35 PM »
I don't think anyone here drives one of those.
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Re: OT- Tesla or other EV
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2021, 03:38:00 PM »
Shocking development.

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Re: OT- Tesla or other EV
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2021, 05:18:04 PM »
Certainly makes no sense for us to get one. We drive <75 miles per week on average, and when we take a driving trip North (not since June of %$*&), I don't want to stop every 300 miles to charge.

We spend more for gas for the boat than we do for the Benz.

Gonna buy an AMG S Class next year. Not that we need it.

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Re: OT- Tesla or other EV
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2021, 08:03:21 PM »
Considering getting one for my next car, but still have at least 5 years on my current one.

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Re: OT- Tesla or other EV
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2021, 01:12:04 AM »
I like my current current car, a 2017 Equinox. It is reliable and economical unlike my old BMW, which was fun to drive but ate through maintenance and repair money like Superman jumping tall buildings in a single bound.
My intention is to go retro in about 2025-26 after the VW Microbus EV comes out circa 2023-24. Unlike my 1970 Microbus which could reach speeds up to 67 mph on flat ground with pedal to the metal, the new VW Microbus, will have 300 hp estimated in the AWD version. I need AWD in the upper Midwest, and I'd like the extra torque and speed.


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Re: OT- Tesla or other EV
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2021, 09:13:25 AM »
my speed and my taste, just not my budget
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Re: OT- Tesla or other EV
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2021, 09:19:51 AM »
If you drive 1,000 miles a month and get 30 mpg overall you're obviously using about 33 gallons at say $3 per, not really that much of an expense.  If the premium for an EV drops to near zero, it will become obviously more prevalent.  They still are a small minority on the streets, though in Norway over half of new sales are EVs.  That is in part because they pay no tolls and no parking.

The pickups look really interesting to me.  

We were at Denver waiting on a shuttle and I noticed how many diesel buses are used to get you to the rental car place and hotels, it's pretty bad.  ATL at least has a tram thingee to take you to a common rental car location.

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Re: OT- Tesla or other EV
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2021, 12:15:03 PM »
Considering getting one for my next car, but still have at least 5 years on my current one.
Same for me. I bought the Flex in May 2017, and there simply were zero EVs that met the criteria for what I was looking for. The closest was the Tesla Model X, but that was about $50K too expensive. We bought the wife's RX350 in Oct 2018, and again the EV market wasn't mature enough for what she wanted (an SUV/Crossover) in any sort of a realistic price range. 

I expect the Flex will come around for replacement somewhere in the 2025 timeframe when my oldest goes to college, and the RX will be sometime after that. 

By then there should be a much more mature EV market that goes beyond simply Tesla, and there's a very good chance one or both will be replaced by EV.

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Re: OT- Tesla or other EV
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2021, 10:35:10 PM »
Study compares electric vehicle charge costs vs. gas — and results were surprising

https://www.azcentral.com/story/money/cars/2021/10/21/electric-vehicle-charging-cost-vs-gas/6110815001/?fbclid=IwAR0ln0nl86LvGtw7hY40QM7XcDZc0FYjQZAcQCwHvJvCu9FCf3s-iaiUQLY

"They are a wonderful driving experience. But at the same time, they're an enormous burden in time and in energy in finding chargers and getting them charged," Anderson said. "And you’re not really saving much in terms of charging costs ... you may be paying more.”

Costs to drive an EV compared with a gasoline car are detailed in a report Anderson Economic released Thursday called "Comparison: Real World Cost of Fueling EVs and ICE Vehicles."

The study has four major findings:

There are four additional costs to powering EVs beyond electricity: cost of a home charger, commercial charging, the EV tax and "deadhead" miles.
For now, EVs cost more to power than gasoline costs to fuel an internal combustion car that gets reasonable gas mileage.
Charging costs vary more widely than gasoline prices.
There are significant time costs to finding reliable public chargers — even then a charger could take 30 minutes to go from 20% to an 80% charge.
It is the first of a series of reports Anderson Economic Group will release. It started the project — an independent report — more than six months ago.
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Re: OT- Tesla or other EV
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2021, 11:30:45 PM »
I sure like that Lucid Air.   Maybe not at that price point,  but will be exciting to see new players and Old ones repurposed.   

Had a really good talk about the old guard manufacturers with an Engineering friend here in Indy,  hes with a slightly different Engine manufacturer,  but has some old world experience.   Talked about the inertia, human and other challenges as it relates to shifting the focus of production to EV at those shops.  He's a Tesla owner and a self confessed Musk psycophant.  Despite that a big booster of EV r&d and growth by any players. 

Fascinating times. 

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Re: OT- Tesla or other EV
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2021, 09:31:00 AM »
Study compares electric vehicle charge costs vs. gas — and results were surprising

https://www.azcentral.com/story/money/cars/2021/10/21/electric-vehicle-charging-cost-vs-gas/6110815001/?fbclid=IwAR0ln0nl86LvGtw7hY40QM7XcDZc0FYjQZAcQCwHvJvCu9FCf3s-iaiUQLY

"They are a wonderful driving experience. But at the same time, they're an enormous burden in time and in energy in finding chargers and getting them charged," Anderson said. "And you’re not really saving much in terms of charging costs ... you may be paying more.”

Costs to drive an EV compared with a gasoline car are detailed in a report Anderson Economic released Thursday called "Comparison: Real World Cost of Fueling EVs and ICE Vehicles."

The study has four major findings:

There are four additional costs to powering EVs beyond electricity: cost of a home charger, commercial charging, the EV tax and "deadhead" miles.
For now, EVs cost more to power than gasoline costs to fuel an internal combustion car that gets reasonable gas mileage.
Charging costs vary more widely than gasoline prices.
There are significant time costs to finding reliable public chargers — even then a charger could take 30 minutes to go from 20% to an 80% charge.
It is the first of a series of reports Anderson Economic Group will release. It started the project — an independent report — more than six months ago.

IMHO the analysis is flawed, as it assumes a great deal of charging is done at public commercial charging stations, which I don't really accept.

One downside to EV today is that it makes economic sense primarily if you can charge at home using residential rates. Most people who do that will never see a commercial charging station except on road trips. For them, the cost even after amortizing the cost of installing a charger at home will be less than gas.

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Re: OT- Tesla or other EV
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2021, 09:39:24 AM »
I agree, I'm sure he wanted to get some clicks and some readers.

but, if you're a traveling salesman or someone out of town or using commercial charging it's good to know

I don't think the residential charger needs to be a 220 model for fast charging overnight - faster charging is harder on the battery

will be interesting to see resal value on these vehicles as they approach 10 or more years of age - replacing batteries will be expensive
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