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utee94

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OT: PSAT Test Prep
« on: March 25, 2024, 06:48:45 PM »
Any of you have recent advice on current best practices for this?  There are expensive private tutors, semi-expensive group classes, free materials from Khan and the College Board.

I'm willing to spend the money for private because I think my daughter has a pretty good shot at making National Merit Finalist and the rewards could be much greater than the expense.  But if other options are just as good, then I could go that route, too.

She's a straight A+ student in all honors/AP courses, and her biggest opportunity for improvement is definitely in the test-taking skills/strategy area.  Basically she needs to understand how to play The Game.  Her fundamentals for the knowledge itself, are super-solid.

I know it's mostly super old farts around here but a couple of us have kids who are nearing college age.  I'll share my findings if you will! :)






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Re: OT: PSAT Test Prep
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2024, 07:08:50 PM »
At least two universities confer NM scholarships to semifinalists, Oklahoma may confer a full ride.  It's a nice thing to hang on a resume.

I know nothing about test prep, but suspect it could be useful for a lot of kids.  Kt is a technique, I knew some smarter kids who did not fare well on SATs.

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Re: OT: PSAT Test Prep
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2024, 07:09:30 PM »
There are a lot of people out there promising things. My memory of taking tests was that taking practice tests was by far the best way to prepare. If she does a few and seems to struggle (or at least not do as well as she does in others) in a particular area, may look into spending money on that.

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Re: OT: PSAT Test Prep
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2024, 07:24:10 PM »
Wish I could help, but test-taking was always a strength for me so I never really cared much for prep strategies. And my eldest son is another year away from worrying about it, so I haven't researched it much. 

And I don't think I'll need to... While he doesn't seem all that forward about driving, that kid is going absolutely nuts about academics and what it takes to get into college, so I think he'll tell us lol. 

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Re: OT: PSAT Test Prep
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2024, 10:00:27 PM »
I'd second the practice tests idea. A lot of repetitions.  

The biggest issue on major, important standardized tests is simply the taker's nerves.  Taking practice tests over and over can make the real test a lot less stressful.  

Being confident and matter-of-fact for the actual test is major.
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Re: OT: PSAT Test Prep
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2024, 10:01:32 PM »
Apparently the NEW FAFSA is a disaster.  The Govt has made a mess of things for parents and admissions offices.  Semi related 

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Re: OT: PSAT Test Prep
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2024, 10:05:53 PM »
I'd second the practice tests idea. A lot of repetitions. 

The biggest issue on major, important standardized tests is simply the taker's nerves.  Taking practice tests over and over can make the real test a lot less stressful. 

Being confident and matter-of-fact for the actual test is major.

Yes, many practice tests will absolutely be a part of it.


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Re: OT: PSAT Test Prep
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2024, 10:07:20 PM »
Apparently the NEW FAFSA is a disaster.  The Govt has made a mess of things for parents and admissions offices.  Semi related
Yeah it was delayed rolling out so it forced many universities to actually delay their admissions/acceptance dates.  It's a mess.

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Re: OT: PSAT Test Prep
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2024, 05:06:37 AM »
I knew some smart folks in HS who would dwell on one question overly long and stress about it.  Learning to be a good "test taker" of course is a thing.

Not stressing is a thing.  I sort of liked standardized tests, so I did fairly well at them.  For some reason, I did better on the PSAT than the SAT (2x), enough to get a small NM Ship, which as I said, is a resume builder.  

I new a guy at UGA who followed me to UNC, he had a full NM ship, really smart, flunked out of graduate school in a year.  I tried to suggest a few things to him, but he somehow couldn't get it.  I guess he was a great S test taker but didn't know how to study and take regular tests or something.

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Re: OT: PSAT Test Prep
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2024, 07:39:11 AM »
Ivy League changes mind, SATs no longer racist | The College Fix

I read somewhere that dropping SATs actually harmed minorities more than it helped, don't know if that is true.

The SAT/ACT is the most reliable predictor of first year college performance.

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Re: OT: PSAT Test Prep
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2024, 10:04:18 AM »
I knew some smart folks in HS who would dwell on one question overly long and stress about it.  Learning to be a good "test taker" of course is a thing.

Not stressing is a thing.  I sort of liked standardized tests, so I did fairly well at them.  For some reason, I did better on the PSAT than the SAT (2x), enough to get a small NM Ship, which as I said, is a resume builder. 

I new a guy at UGA who followed me to UNC, he had a full NM ship, really smart, flunked out of graduate school in a year.  I tried to suggest a few things to him, but he somehow couldn't get it.  I guess he was a great S test taker but didn't know how to study and take regular tests or something.

I was great at standardized tests.  I did zero prep for the PSAT and was ultimately a National Merit Scholar.  Between the University and the College of Engineering, it got me a full ride at UT.

I probably had some of your UGA/UNC friend's tendencies.  Even taking a full load of nothing but AP/Honors courses, high school was incredibly easy for me.  So was my freshman year in engineering, which was mostly just a rehash of high school physics/calculus/chemistry.  In engineering at UT at the time, they didn't let you place out of physics or chemistry, and you could only place out of one semester of calculus.  So it was mostly just re-do.

Then my sophomore year came with a whole slate of actual EE classes, and I realized I had no clue how to study.  It took me a full year at least to adjust, but finally I got it.  A few years later, the MBA was a breeze compared to my engineering undergraduate degree.


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Re: OT: PSAT Test Prep
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2024, 10:14:51 AM »
Yeah, sounds like me.  I had calculus in HS and took Honors calculus at UGA as a freshman.  We covered all I knew about calculus in one day at the beginning of each quarter and then were off to the races.  There were about 18 kids in that class and I figured I was one of the dumbest.  It was humbling.  I vaguely remember something about Green's theorem.  The professor wrote on the board with one hand and then erased what he wrote.  Nothing related to the text book, at all.

I placed out of the first quarter of honors chem, and that was a mistake.  I ended up later making a D in the third quarter, and decided to change my major to computer programming.  I was too lazy to do it.  So, next up was org chem, which for some reason was right down my alley, due in large part to Professor M. Gary Newton, who was one of the best teachers I ever had.  The class started with 180 students, many sitting in the aisles, and ended with 33 by end of the year, most headed to medical school.

Humbling is good.  I was arrogant and didn't know how to study.  Looking back it was a miracle I managed to get through it all.

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Re: OT: PSAT Test Prep
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2024, 10:36:55 AM »
My daughter on the other hand, is also great at standardized tests, when she has enough time.  In general she's a slow, deliberate, methodical worker.  So for those state-wide standardized tests, she always scores in the 99th percentile.  But they're pretty easy, students are given more than enough time to complete them, even the slow workers.

But the timing/pressure for the PSAT is different, which is why I want to help her learn the specific test-taking strategies, tips/tricks/etc, that work for the PSAT and SAT.

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Re: OT: PSAT Test Prep
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2024, 11:25:37 AM »
I'd second the practice tests idea. A lot of repetitions. 

The biggest issue on major, important standardized tests is simply the taker's nerves.  Taking practice tests over and over can make the real test a lot less stressful. 

Being confident and matter-of-fact for the actual test is major.

I "third" the practice tests. Practice tests are what I did, over and over and over, to ready for both the SAT and ACT tests. I must've taken about 3 SATs and 5 ACTs through my JR and SR years of High School. Now over 20 years ago. But I remember it well because of how many practice tests I took, and those Saturdays waking up early.

There's a ton of practice test guides out there.

I DON'T recommend a private tutor unless it's a one-time thing needed to learn how to solve the questions. After that the brunt of getting ready is all the repetition from doing practice tests.

She's a straight A+ student in all honors/AP courses, and her biggest opportunity for improvement is definitely in the test-taking skills/strategy area.  Basically she needs to understand how to play The Game.  Her fundamentals for the knowledge itself, are super-solid.


And my eldest son is another year away from worrying about it, so I haven't researched it much. And I don't think I'll need to...that kid is going absolutely nuts about academics and what it takes to get into college, so I think he'll tell us lol.

Would be so refreshing if one of you parents got on here honest about having morons for children (if you did)—
"After buying our son a practice test guide he showed up so late to the test that they turned him away. So off he went skateboarding all morning without telling us. Later we found out the practice test guide was used more by his little sister to seat herself on as a booster seat for when she drove around our Ranger."
« Last Edit: March 26, 2024, 11:47:49 AM by CatsbyAZ »

 

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