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Topic: OT: Online Civility

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utee94

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Re: OT: Online Civility
« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2018, 02:06:08 PM »
I suspect they change faster than that.  None of us could understand Olde English.

I have "heard" that the British spoke with an "American accent" in 1800, it was they who changed more than we, and that Quebequois is more similar to 1800s French than Parisian French.

German of course has changed massively since 1870.
So can we figure out why the English (and some New Englanders) add an "r" to the end of words that end in "a?'  
For example, "idea" becomes "idear."  I've always found that one odd.
And yes, I realize "y'all" and "fixin' to" aren't exactly normal...

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« Reply #29 on: November 07, 2018, 02:18:10 PM »
realizing the dictionary is expanding every year, i still wonder how much the language (especially English) has shrunk over the years in actual vocabulary.   

living overseas for a while I sought to learn the language, only to find that likely 85% of the people there spoke english (the language of business).  i had issues with slang and had to slow down and enunciate, but felt disadvantaged rarely due to language barrier... I honestly have a LOT harder a time reading english written in the 1700's, and because a dictionary has to be close by.  

i'm told English is precise in regards to exhausting options, and is therefor preferred for business transactions.  makes sense... an Arab telling me something takes three or four breaths for English to explain in less than one.... which automatically made me suspicious of everyone attempting as Grandpa's words kept ringing in my ears "boy, if it takes more than a breath to explain something, there is a fair amount of bull shit present". 

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Re: OT: Online Civility
« Reply #30 on: November 07, 2018, 02:22:55 PM »
I don't need the aggravation
Right? 
I quit a different Big Ten board for that reason. It went well for a while- not always tranquil, but tolerable- until a couple flamers found the place. The discourse bottomed-out, posters who were normally civil became nasty, and the place devolved into pure hackery. 
One day I just wondered why I bothered to log into the board every day, when half the people wanted to insult and aggravate me. Having no good reason, I quit. 
No problemo. Life's too short. 

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« Reply #31 on: November 07, 2018, 02:45:30 PM »
@Hoss , your very first post on this site carried a weight that should have told readers you were no damn troll- it was insightful and on point.... we need a load more like you, but we don't need a single one as you describe elsewhere. 

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Re: OT: Online Civility
« Reply #32 on: November 07, 2018, 02:50:22 PM »
For example, "idea" becomes "idear."  I've always found that one odd.
And yes, I realize "y'all" and "fixin' to" aren't exactly normal...

This,I always wanted to see someone from Maine or New Hampshire have a conversation with someone from Southern Mississippi.Might as well be speaking Latin and Swahili - there would be no understanding
Suburbia:Where they tear out the trees & then name streets after them.

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« Reply #33 on: November 07, 2018, 02:52:50 PM »
@MrNubbz , in my current neck of the woods there is a language that has earned itself the right to be determined 'unto itself'.  down east north carolina.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Tider


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Re: OT: Online Civility
« Reply #34 on: November 07, 2018, 03:00:01 PM »
France still has local languages spoken at home and even taught in school in places.  They oscillate between trying to preserve things like Breton and Languedoc and Alsatian and stamping them out.  We heard quite a bit of Catalan in Barcelona.

English has ingested quite a bit of French over the decades, sometimes with differing meanings, like the  term "entree" and even "menu".


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Re: OT: Online Civility
« Reply #35 on: November 07, 2018, 03:04:07 PM »
"Menu Big Mac avec biere si'l vou plait"


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« Reply #36 on: November 07, 2018, 03:05:24 PM »
@MrNubbz , in my current neck of the woods there is a language that has earned itself the right to be determined 'unto itself'.  down east north carolina.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Tider
There are pockets of funky sounding Queen's English spread amongst the colonies.I know in NE Ohio we sound like the Nightly National News folks.You go 40-45 miles down the road to L.A.(Lower Akron) they sound like Bobby Bowden.Ironically his son Terry coaches the Akron Zips FWIW
Suburbia:Where they tear out the trees & then name streets after them.

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Re: OT: Online Civility
« Reply #37 on: November 07, 2018, 03:08:45 PM »
English has ingested quite a bit of French over the decades, sometimes with differing meanings, like the  term "entree" and even "menu".
Forget what Holy Roman Emperor said "I speak Latin to God,Italian to men,French to women an German to my horse"
Suburbia:Where they tear out the trees & then name streets after them.

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Re: OT: Online Civility
« Reply #38 on: November 07, 2018, 03:26:17 PM »
And "palabra a tu madre" is a literal translation, which might or might not have a contextual translation in Spanish.  I'd have to consult some of my Mexican-American friends and lean on their memories of late 80s/early 90s hip hop slang, juxtaposed with the Spanish language, to know for sure. :)
That's right. It's idiomatic in English. Nonsense in Spanish. This is my favorite part about it.

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Re: OT: Online Civility
« Reply #39 on: November 07, 2018, 03:28:44 PM »
 

i've seen @OrangeAfroMan and @mcwterps1 venture in there and get flamed w/o mercy or regard, but it's because they're 'outsiders'.  that place is clannish. the only assimilation i've seen made w/o hiccup is @BrownCounty ... @CatsbyAZ  has made effort and done well, too- and largely because i think he takes the whole circumstance in stride recognizing it for what it is- which isn't evident on the surface.


And @P1tchBlack is an entertaining counterbalance to the out of context fundy rhetoric amidst the vols fans.

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Re: OT: Online Civility
« Reply #40 on: November 07, 2018, 03:31:36 PM »
I like this conversation. My wife would like it more. It also applies to changing definitions that grate many people. Merriam-Webster recently gave "Literally" an auxilliary definition of "Figuratively." That one kills people.
But language is just a mutually understood series of symbols whose meaning is primarily born of their frequency of use. So "Literally" being used sufficiently often as "Figuratively" requires that Literally will ultimately mean Figuratively. It's not any more or less stupid than any other aspect of language change. It's all an emotionless and predictable evolutionary process.
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Re: OT: Online Civility
« Reply #41 on: November 07, 2018, 03:32:41 PM »
Also: Something I didn't know until I met the linguistic scientist wife: The #1 driver of language change in EVERY modern language? Teenage girls. Seriously. It's a highly durable and consistent international pattern. 
Those little ladies, past and present, influence all of our language use in ways that the vast majority of us never notice.
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