header pic

Perhaps the BEST B1G Forum anywhere, here at College Football Fan Site, CFB51!!!

The 'Old' CFN/Scout Crowd- Enjoy Civil discussion, game analytics, in depth player and coaching 'takes' and discussing topics surrounding the game. You can even have your own free board, all you have to do is ask!!!

Anyone is welcomed and encouraged to join our FREE site and to take part in our community- a community with you- the user, the fan, -and the person- will be protected from intrusive actions and with a clean place to interact.


Author

Topic: OT - In your opinion, what are the B1G's "helmet schools"?

 (Read 13624 times)

847badgerfan

  • Administrator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 25061
  • Liked:
Re: OT - In your opinion, what are the B1G's "helmet schools"?
« Reply #84 on: August 24, 2017, 12:11:41 PM »
There are a plethora of recruiting advantages.
Seems like a lot of those "advantages" have been cleaned up these days.
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

Entropy

  • Starter
  • *****
  • Posts: 1432
  • Liked:
Re: OT - In your opinion, what are the B1G's "helmet schools"?
« Reply #85 on: August 24, 2017, 01:05:33 PM »
Yes, with the new 9 game schedule every team has a fixed crossover game. Which means that there is one team in the opposite division that they play every year, while they rotate the other six teams; playing each once at home and once on the road over a six year cycle.

The fixed crossovers are

Indiana-Purdue
OSU-Nebraska
Michigan-Wisconsin
Penn St-Iowa
Michigan St-Illinois
Maryland-Minnesota
Rutgers-Northwestern

I believe they said that they would reevaluate it after every six year cycle.


this is an area the BIG messed up... PSU and UNL should be the crossovers due to their history.

But then again, I'd move MSU to the west and create a crossover weekend in Sept where MSU/Mich play, OSU/Wisky and UNL/PSU... not sure of the rest as I'm a little ignorant to any historical significance of potential matchup's..

betarhoalphadelta

  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 12140
  • Liked:
Re: OT - In your opinion, what are the B1G's "helmet schools"?
« Reply #86 on: August 24, 2017, 01:05:46 PM »
Basically it's an unnecessary mechanism that exists solely to protect the Bucket game.

Which I never understood... Granted, I absolutely wanted to protect the bucket game. But it was really the only East/West natural rivalry after they created the divisions.

And neither team is ever going to be "expected" to be challenging for their division. While perhaps they didn't want to have a carve-out ONLY for 2 specific teams, it's not like it would have impacted the conference championship race in any appreciable manner to let the little kids have exclusive access to the little kids' table...

Entropy

  • Starter
  • *****
  • Posts: 1432
  • Liked:
Re: OT - In your opinion, what are the B1G's "helmet schools"?
« Reply #87 on: August 24, 2017, 01:07:37 PM »
Indeed.  The ultimate fish bowl team in any sport.  I've witnessed few markets that show similar characteristics.

agree.  I have yet to see or experience it either.  Michigan actually has many similarities in the fact that many of their fan base believed a Michigan coach had to be part of the Bo legacy or coaching family.   If JH stayed in the NFL, I think you'd find a much more divided fanbase. 


ELA

  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 20280
  • Liked:
Re: OT - In your opinion, what are the B1G's "helmet schools"?
« Reply #88 on: August 24, 2017, 01:56:11 PM »
OSU is the only P5 school in a sizeable state with very good HS football emphasis.


When the Catholic HSs here stopped feeding ND their top players, OSU benefited.  Obviously, Urban can recruit nationally as well.


OSU had an insane class last season and this year looks to be perhaps better.


Folks talk about how UGA needs to lock down the state, but FSU and Clemson and Auburn are right around the corner and have good arguments for top players.


OSU has Indiana, Kentucky, Marshall, Pitt, Louisville, and Michigan State next door.
That's sort of convenient cherry-picking by ignoring Michigan, ND, PSU and WVU

ELA

  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 20280
  • Liked:
Re: OT - In your opinion, what are the B1G's "helmet schools"?
« Reply #89 on: August 24, 2017, 01:59:58 PM »
Which I never understood... Granted, I absolutely wanted to protect the bucket game. But it was really the only East/West natural rivalry after they created the divisions.

And neither team is ever going to be "expected" to be challenging for their division. While perhaps they didn't want to have a carve-out ONLY for 2 specific teams, it's not like it would have impacted the conference championship race in any appreciable manner to let the little kids have exclusive access to the little kids' table...
I think it would mess up scheduling balance.  At least this way they can say you play every crossover team twice (H-A) every six years, except for your permanent crossover rival.  Then, the only gripe is in the inbalance in crossover rivals.  Otherwise they'd open themselves up to accusations of schedule imbalance because it's tough to get a rotation down otherwise.

Basically, any game they wanted to "protect" should have been put in the same division.  The problem is how to do that.  The obvious solution would have been to put Rutgers or Maryland in the West and move Purdue to the East as far as game protection goes, because sorry "Maryland-Rutgers" isn't a thing in the Big Ten, but simply from a distance standpoint it doesn't work because those are the two easternmost teams.

Hawkinole

  • Starter
  • *****
  • Posts: 2218
  • Liked:
Re: OT - In your opinion, what are the B1G's "helmet schools"?
« Reply #90 on: August 25, 2017, 01:12:38 AM »

The fixed crossovers are

Indiana-Purdue
OSU-Nebraska
Michigan-Wisconsin
Penn St-Iowa
Michigan St-Illinois
Maryland-Minnesota
Rutgers-Northwestern

I believe they said that they would reevaluate it after every six year cycle.

Query, how these cross-overs were decided. I cannot see a natural or traditional rivalry in any of these games.

You could argue Iowa-PSU on grounds that Iowa's forever coach was raised in part in Pennsylvania. And, Iowa developed a series of games with PSU prior to PSU joining the Big Ten, and who knows, but Paterno may have had his eye on joining the Big Ten back in the 1970s when PSU was scheduling Big Ten teams. But Iowa-PSU is probably more a rivalry for Iowa's coach than it is for the fan bases. I would elevate the Iowa-Michigan, and Iowa Michigan St series, over the Iowa-PSU series in terms of meaningfulness at least to Iowa fans.

I know of no argument to consider the other fixed cross-overs as rivals. I would guess the average Illinois fan would regard Ohio State to be more of a rival than Michigan St.

 

Brutus Buckeye

  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 11231
  • Liked:
Re: OT - In your opinion, what are the B1G's "helmet schools"?
« Reply #91 on: August 25, 2017, 05:56:05 AM »
after removing the Indiana teams, they appear to have ranked the remaining teams in each division by helmitiness.

1919, 20, 21, 28, 29, 31, 34, 35, 36, 37, 42, 44
WWH: 1952, 54, 55, 57, 58, 60, 61, 62, 63, 65, 67, 68, 70, 72, 74, 75
1979, 81, 82, 84, 87, 94, 98
2001, 02, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

847badgerfan

  • Administrator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 25061
  • Liked:
Re: OT - In your opinion, what are the B1G's "helmet schools"?
« Reply #92 on: August 25, 2017, 07:40:16 AM »

The Wisconsin AD (and Michigan AD) "forced" the lock with Wisconsin/Michigan because it had been so long since the two (charter members) played. The rest kinda fell into place, by helmet, it would appear.


Wisconsin got screwed (took one for the team) in the last alignment by going East and losing its annual game with Iowa. King Barry knew Big Jim owed him one.
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

Temp430

  • All Star
  • ******
  • Posts: 2503
  • Liked:
Re: OT - In your opinion, what are the B1G's "helmet schools"?
« Reply #93 on: August 25, 2017, 07:47:14 AM »
I'm fine with it but it's still kind of surprising given Michigan's trophy game with the Gophers. 
A decade of Victory over Penn State.

All in since 1969

Brutus Buckeye

  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 11231
  • Liked:
Re: OT - In your opinion, what are the B1G's "helmet schools"?
« Reply #94 on: August 25, 2017, 07:54:43 AM »
They'd have to build an entire division around the Gopher trophy games, in order to keep all of those bad boys on the annual.
1919, 20, 21, 28, 29, 31, 34, 35, 36, 37, 42, 44
WWH: 1952, 54, 55, 57, 58, 60, 61, 62, 63, 65, 67, 68, 70, 72, 74, 75
1979, 81, 82, 84, 87, 94, 98
2001, 02, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

847badgerfan

  • Administrator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 25061
  • Liked:
Re: OT - In your opinion, what are the B1G's "helmet schools"?
« Reply #95 on: August 25, 2017, 08:09:47 AM »

I hear they have a really nice trophy case in Minnie.


I don't think they ever show it to recruits though.  :)
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

MarqHusker

  • Team Captain
  • *******
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 5499
  • Liked:
Re: OT - In your opinion, what are the B1G's "helmet schools"?
« Reply #96 on: August 25, 2017, 09:02:26 AM »
Did I see where PJ put in the cup of a carpenter in a trophy case this summer?




See you boys in a couple weeks. Going fishing in Canada.  No internets.

Mdot21

  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 14328
  • Liked:
Re: OT - In your opinion, what are the B1G's "helmet schools"?
« Reply #97 on: August 25, 2017, 12:12:02 PM »
That's sort of convenient cherry-picking by ignoring Michigan, ND, PSU and WVU

under Tressel and Meyer for like 20 years- how many kids has Michigan/ND/PSU gotten from Ohio that Ohio State really wanted? Not very many. It's been a whole lot of slim pickens lately.

I feel like while the state of Georgia produces A TON of talent, the kids there don't necessarily grow up die hard Georgia fans like 90% of the kids in Ohio grow up die hard Buckeyes. The top Georgia kids go anywhere. The top Ohio kids? 99% of the time they are going to Ohio State if Ohio State wants them.

That's the big difference between the two programs. If Georgia could lock down the state the way Ohio State does- Georgia would be a juggernaut. They can't though. And I don't think they ever will be able too. It's just a different dynamic. The pressure for kids to stay home just isn't as great. I remember Chris Spielman saying he was about to commit to Bo Schembechler and Michigan and his father called him a traitor and told him nah uh buddy- you're going to Ohio State. I think Buckeye is bred into these kids at a young age in a way that really isn't in any other state.

 

Support the Site!
Purchase of every item listed here DIRECTLY supports the site.