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Topic: OT - In your opinion, what are the B1G's "helmet schools"?

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Re: OT - In your opinion, what are the B1G's "helmet schools"?
« Reply #70 on: August 23, 2017, 03:28:25 PM »
I think with the perception of the "greatness of Nebraska fans" comes an assumption they don't eat their own.. that is not true at all.  Unless you've been part of UNL football, I don't think you understand that

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Re: OT - In your opinion, what are the B1G's "helmet schools"?
« Reply #71 on: August 23, 2017, 05:17:01 PM »
Riley's last 2 off-seasons tell me he didn't appreciate the pressure to win in Lincoln.  That first year they refused to go after a JUCO QB, OT, DT, or any position to speed up the transition.  While commendable that he wanted to work with the guys on the team, it also suggest a belief that he had time to transform.   He didn't.   Firing good friends speaks to an urgency.   He has a young team this year and if they falter, it will be tough for him in Lincoln.   If they do reasonably well, he will be ok.

To be honest, this is something that Jeff Brohm at Purdue understands immediately and I like it but I also feel a bit bad about it... We're seeing roster turnover, transfers, etc that I've never seen at Purdue. It's one thing to say that these guys departing the program are doing it of their own volition, but I'm not sure I buy that. I think Brohm has basically said to some of them "we have no use for you and you're not going to see the field; it's better if you transfer." And right now we're projected 3 scholarships over the limit next year, so there are probably more coming.

I don't like that. I don't like seeing players basically kicked to the curb. I know it's probably necessary to get results. But I don't like it.

Maybe Riley is just "too nice" for that...

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Re: OT - In your opinion, what are the B1G's "helmet schools"?
« Reply #72 on: August 23, 2017, 10:42:04 PM »
I think with the perception of the "greatness of Nebraska fans" comes an assumption they don't eat their own.. that is not true at all.  Unless you've been part of UNL football, I don't think you understand that

Indeed.  The ultimate fish bowl team in any sport.  I've witnessed few markets that show similar characteristics.

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« Reply #73 on: August 23, 2017, 11:08:35 PM »
I could almost, almost buy the Nebraska is sitting better than M*ch, but they are not.


Adding the always loved transitive property:
M*ch's 2 3rd place finishes have come against elite helmet OSU performing at helmet level, and the B1G Champion.


Nebraska has lost to non-helmets in the west and the B1G West Representatives who then go on to lose the title. The title lose makes the west making them seem a step lower, making Nebraska seem a step lower.


Also Firing a guy who gets 9 wins with a guy who gets 6 wins doesn't scream of striving for excellence. It says we got rid of a loud mouth with a nice guy.

You could also argue that Nebraska being in the easier division increases their chances of surpassing Michigan. They have an easier path to the Big Ten Ccg.

It doesn't help that OSU is their fixed crossover, but Wisconsin has Michigan and Iowa has Penn St. So that's not a huge disadvantage within their division.

All they have to do is out-Wisconsin Wisconsin, while Michigan has to beat out OSU, Penn St and Sparty in throw out the records games.


If Nebraska can get to the point where they routinely claw their way to the top of the West, then anything can happen in the Big Ten Championship Game.


Win a few of those bad boys and badda bing, badda boom. They're ahead of Michigan.
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Re: OT - In your opinion, what are the B1G's "helmet schools"?
« Reply #74 on: August 24, 2017, 02:08:43 AM »

It doesn't help that OSU is their fixed crossover, but Wisconsin has Michigan and Iowa has Penn St. So that's not a huge disadvantage within their division.



Apologies for my ignorance. What is a fixed crossover?

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Re: OT - In your opinion, what are the B1G's "helmet schools"?
« Reply #75 on: August 24, 2017, 07:33:33 AM »

It started last season and gores for a total of 6 years.


UW has Michigan 5 more years.
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« Reply #76 on: August 24, 2017, 08:44:43 AM »
Apologies for my ignorance. What is a fixed crossover?

Yes, with the new 9 game schedule every team has a fixed crossover game. Which means that there is one team in the opposite division that they play every year, while they rotate the other six teams; playing each once at home and once on the road over a six year cycle.

The fixed crossovers are

Indiana-Purdue
OSU-Nebraska
Michigan-Wisconsin
Penn St-Iowa
Michigan St-Illinois
Maryland-Minnesota
Rutgers-Northwestern

I believe they said that they would reevaluate it after every six year cycle.
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Re: OT - In your opinion, what are the B1G's "helmet schools"?
« Reply #77 on: August 24, 2017, 09:13:26 AM »

They were kinda forced to lock Wisconsin and Michigan. The two hadn't played since 2010 before last season, and this season will mark the first since 2009 that Michigan will visit Madison.


King Barry even approached the UM brass about considering a "non-conference" series before this 9 game schedule and lock happened. There were talks.


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Re: OT - In your opinion, what are the B1G's "helmet schools"?
« Reply #78 on: August 24, 2017, 10:19:42 AM »
Basically it's an unnecessary mechanism that exists solely to protect the Bucket game.


I suppose it also makes scheduling take about 2 seconds rather than having to put any work into it.

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Re: OT - In your opinion, what are the B1G's "helmet schools"?
« Reply #79 on: August 24, 2017, 11:19:23 AM »


It also gives OSU the recruiting advantage of being the only team in the Big Ten that gets to play every single one of the Conference's helmet teams every year.







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Re: OT - In your opinion, what are the B1G's "helmet schools"?
« Reply #80 on: August 24, 2017, 11:27:56 AM »
OSU's recruiting advantage is Urban Meyer.
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Re: OT - In your opinion, what are the B1G's "helmet schools"?
« Reply #81 on: August 24, 2017, 11:50:38 AM »
Here I thought it was the whole dotting the 'i' thing.

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Re: OT - In your opinion, what are the B1G's "helmet schools"?
« Reply #82 on: August 24, 2017, 12:02:38 PM »
There are a plethora of recruiting advantages.
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Re: OT - In your opinion, what are the B1G's "helmet schools"?
« Reply #83 on: August 24, 2017, 12:10:06 PM »
OSU is the only P5 school in a sizeable state with very good HS football emphasis.


When the Catholic HSs here stopped feeding ND their top players, OSU benefited.  Obviously, Urban can recruit nationally as well.


OSU had an insane class last season and this year looks to be perhaps better.


Folks talk about how UGA needs to lock down the state, but FSU and Clemson and Auburn are right around the corner and have good arguments for top players.


OSU has Indiana, Kentucky, Marshall, Pitt, Louisville, and Michigan State next door.

 

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