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MikeDeTiger

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« Reply #1414 on: Today at 09:54:26 AM »
Louisiana was also, for most of it's history, French and Catholic. The rest of the SEC/nee Texas was British/Scottish and Protestant.

The role of religion can't be understated in this discussion.

https://alcohol.iu.edu/articles/protestants-catholics/index.html

Probably some truth to that.  In my experience, those differences have mostly disappeared in my lifetime.  Louisiana may have started predominantly Catholic, but I'd wager the vast majority of the state now is not Catholic.  You get a higher percentage of it amongst the residents of Acadiana, but again, most of the state is not that.  It's mostly a bunch of Baptists and Pentecostals and non-denominationals now.  

I still think an average family in Alexandria, LA will be more similar to a family in Jackson, MS than Tyler, TX.  

This has as much to do with Texans and the Texas-identity thing as anything to do with Louisiana and the South.  Texans are.....Texans.  Just ask 'em.  

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« Reply #1415 on: Today at 10:01:03 AM »
Probably some truth to that.  In my experience, those differences have mostly disappeared in my lifetime.  Louisiana may have started predominantly Catholic, but I'd wager the vast majority of the state now is not Catholic.  You get a higher percentage of it amongst the residents of Acadiana, but again, most of the state is not that.  It's mostly a bunch of Baptists and Pentecostals and non-denominationals now. 

I still think an average family in Alexandria, LA will be more similar to a family in Jackson, MS than Tyler, TX. 

This has as much to do with Texans and the Texas-identity thing as anything to do with Louisiana and the South.  Texans are.....Texans.  Just ask 'em. 

True that.

Lots of Catholics in Texas though.  There's this fairly large almost entirely Catholic country directly to the south that has a pretty strong influence here.  It doesn't have much influence on the Southern part of Texas culture, but it's a decent part of the reason Texas as a whole doesn't fit neatly into The South.

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« Reply #1416 on: Today at 10:25:12 AM »

Really?  I'd want to know how surveying on the ground is different than mapping, plotting, etc.  It's a township and range state where most everything is neatly divided into squares.  It's like falling off of a log. 

One who finds Louisiana difficult would certainly not want to mess with a metes and bounds state like Texas, I'd think.  If you get a tract of land in Texas with less than 50 directions and distances and three or four markers as your starting point, you've hit the jackpot. 

Reading the field notes to identify and/or map my family's land in Louisiana is something a 5-year old could do.  Reading the field notes in Texas when I was a landman could make you claw your eyes out. 
Texas has every form of Land Surveying. Some French claims, some Spanish, some British, some US Public Land Survey system.

I've done quite a bit in Texas. Claw your eyes out? Not for a licensed surveyor. We like challenges.

Everything in Land Surveying is about tracing the original footsteps to perpetuate the original intent of the surveys made. No one method is more difficult than others, in that regard.

As for a 5 year old kid doing it ...umm... No. Sorry.

That's way off base.

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« Reply #1417 on: Today at 11:02:01 AM »
I worked probably around 35 - 40 counties in Texas, mostly what's loosely called south Texas, east Texas, and a little bit of southeast Texas.  They were all metes and bounds, and I haven't heard of many places that aren't.  Some told me the pan-handle counties up around Amarillo are township and range for geological reasons that make metes and bounds impractical.  

I never worked up there, or in West Texas, so I wouldn't personally know.  Never worked in central Texas either, because there's no oil or gas there, dammit.  Would've made commuting way easier back in the day.  

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« Reply #1418 on: Today at 11:21:12 AM »
I've done quite a bit in Texas. Claw your eyes out? Not for a licensed surveyor. We like challenges.


Get a hold of some surveyor notes that for a vector says something like "N60W, about the length of time it takes a man to roll a cigarette while riding a horse in mid-stride."  

I kid you not, that's a real thing a surveyor wrote.  WTF?  How fast does this man roll a cigarette?  How healthy is his horse?  And what the actual ****?  

I ran into countless things like that.  

Had a tract that came to be about 200 acres off on a 400 acre tract of land.  I don't know what that surveyor was drinking that day, but I reckon Fearless had something to do with it.  How can you be 200 ac. off on a 400 ac. piece of property?  

We mostly used a program called Deed Plotter to punch in the field notes, though my first bosses were sticklers for learning how to use the engineering scales and a protractor to do it the old-school way.  The problem was figuring out where the mistake was when something wasn't transcribed correctly or the lawyer who put the deed together or the surveyor he used was drunk.  If N60W gets changed to N60E in a string of 200 lines, you get nonsense, and it's not obvious where the error is.  Well, to some people who had been doing it long enough, it kind of was.  I knew guys who could spot the problems very quickly and fix it, though I didn't reach that point.  

I don't know much about land-surveying, but I do know trying to cipher through a lot of their old field notes in Texas counties can be quite a chore.  It varied heavily by county.  Some counties routinely had pristine field notes from surveyors (and property title, too)--the sober companies, perhaps--and some counties had awful field notes and title too.  The more recent surveys from, say, the 1990's on, were mostly very good everywhere, and much cleaner and easier to deal with.  Those surveyors in the old days......oof....it was like a box of chocolates, never know what you're gonna get.  

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« Reply #1419 on: Today at 11:22:26 AM »
Stupid question…but when a piece of land gets resold or divided up and resurveyed, do they do it with modern means, GPS coordinates and all that jazz?  Or are you bound by the archaic methods? 

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« Reply #1420 on: Today at 11:25:54 AM »
Well, it's been (one of) my Profession for 40+ years. Unless you have the education, apprenticeship, testing, and practice, it's not surveying.

Some of the biggest problems we have are unlicensed practice and negligence. "Anyone" can set a corner (not).

I've served as an expert witness to many cases, and the most rewarding are when the case is over and found in favor of my expertise (I've never lost) relative to land lines. 

Next to those would be testimony to remove a clown's license for negligence, and after that would be getting rid of the unlicensed practice asshats.
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« Reply #1421 on: Today at 11:28:52 AM »
Stupid question…but when a piece of land gets resold or divided up and resurveyed, do they do it with modern means, GPS coordinates and all that jazz?  Or are you bound by the archaic methods?
For me, both.

There is no robot or GPS that is going to do a boundary recon/search and find me what I need for my boundary analysis. 

Once I'm done and a survey is published, we return to set the corners to State Plane systems.
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« Reply #1422 on: Today at 11:29:46 AM »
I went to a Catholic funeral last week. The whole thing seemed so weird to me. The first guy gets up , I didn’t know what to expect , but he did like 10-20 Hail Marys. I guess I expected him to talk about the deceased , but it was just Hail Marys on top of Hail Mary. 

Next guy, I still expect him to say something about the deceased. Nope. 10-20 Hail Marys. 

Next guy..I have no idea why I expected then, but I was thinking, now they’re going to say something about the deceased. Nope. 10-20 Hail Marys. 

Next guy, I was pretty sure it would be something different. Nope. 10-20 Hail Marys. 

Then some more chanting. I think it was Latin. Then some pseudo knight looking guys with swords, marching in formation. Chanting something. I think it was Latin as well. 

More Hail Marys and chanting. 

So bizarre. Not trying to dog anybody else’s religion, but it was all very strange to an outsider. 

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« Reply #1423 on: Today at 11:33:41 AM »
I went to a Catholic funeral last week. The whole thing seemed so weird to me. The first guy gets up , I didn’t know what to expect , but he did like 10-20 Hail Marys. I guess I expected him to talk about the deceased , but it was just Hail Marys on top of Hail Mary.

Next guy, I still expect him to say something about the deceased. Nope. 10-20 Hail Marys.

Next guy..I have no idea why I expected then, but I was thinking, now they’re going to say something about the deceased. Nope. 10-20 Hail Marys.

Next guy, I was pretty sure it would be something different. Nope. 10-20 Hail Marys.

Then some more chanting. I think it was Latin. Then some pseudo knight looking guys with swords, marching in formation. Chanting something. I think it was Latin as well.

More Hail Marys and chanting.

So bizarre. Not trying to dog anybody else’s religion, but it was all very strange to an outsider.
That sound like the old Latin-style traditional mass. Most are not like that at all.
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« Reply #1424 on: Today at 11:34:40 AM »
I've been to a couple funerals in a Catholic church/cathedral, and they were quite different from what you describe.  Attended one in Paris off to the side of a huge cathedral.


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« Reply #1425 on: Today at 11:40:42 AM »
I’ve been to two catholic funerals. The first one was all chanting in Latin. 

Second one was 4-5 guys doing 10-20 Hail Marys. 

Never been to Catholic Church. Maybe once, in the 80’s. I don’t really remember much about it. 

Plenty of Methodist and Baptist and all the other -ist sects though. 

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« Reply #1426 on: Today at 11:44:03 AM »
I've attended maybe 30 Masses with my wife, two weddings, and two funerals.  They are "different", to me, but at least the Masses are short.

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« Reply #1427 on: Today at 11:57:10 AM »
What does a Hail Mary entail? 

 

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