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Re: OT - Grumpy Old Man Thread
« Reply #1106 on: March 23, 2026, 11:37:22 AM »
Back when I worked in that industry, we were always happy when gas prices were a little higher.  When they drop too low, for too long, is when everybody started getting laid off.  

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« Reply #1107 on: March 23, 2026, 11:38:57 AM »
greedy evil billionaires :57: 
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Re: OT - Grumpy Old Man Thread
« Reply #1108 on: March 23, 2026, 11:55:05 AM »
Oil prices TOO low can be a problem overall.  Around four years back I thought EVs would suppress oil prices longer term, and maybe they will ... someday.


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« Reply #1109 on: March 23, 2026, 12:00:19 PM »
It's so weird in my neck of the woods, these people actually are happy when the price of crude jumps.  The county has been the #1 oil producer in the State for the past ~60 years.

I guess if you have interest in a well pumping a few hundred barrels a week, it's worth the $.90/gallon jump to put in your Escalade.
One of my good friends has oil wells on family property down in South Texas.  They won't even bother to pump when oil is less than $75.  But then they start pumping, he's literally making millions. I expect he's about to buy another house somewhere in Europe or something.  

Great work if you can get it.

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« Reply #1110 on: March 23, 2026, 01:11:32 PM »
A supply / demand imbalance (in the "shortage" direction) is the reason I'm in a position to work with a financial advisor...

Wait... That should go in the happy thread :57:

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« Reply #1111 on: March 23, 2026, 01:51:13 PM »
One of my good friends has oil wells on family property down in South Texas.  They won't even bother to pump when oil is less than $75.  But then they start pumping, he's literally making millions. I expect he's about to buy another house somewhere in Europe or something. 

Great work if you can get it.

Does he operate his own wells?  If so, he already had $$$ before the oil money.  If he doesn't, the decision likely isn't his, and also, I probably leased him at some point.  Well, maybe not, but I did more than my fair share in south Texas. 

Most people lease their land to production companies, and sometimes the force majeure clauses are tricky to navigate.  Most modern leases stipulate that the contract is voided if wells are capped for X number of days.  otoh, what you mentioned happens a lot.  Many--if not most--producers aren't interested in continuing production if the price of oil drops too low.  There does come a point where it's more expensive to bring it to market than what they can sell it for, so they'd rather just let it sit and sell the inventory at a higher price later.  It often results in some unfortunate situations where landowners are locked into leases that aren't helping them and keeping their property off the market for another producer more willing to do something with it, because the lessee waits almost until that X number of days goes by, starts up the well, cranks out a barrell (or the bare minimum cubic feet, if it's a natural gas well), shuts down the well again, and keeps the lease in force for another X number of days. 

Land owners get real bent out of shape about that. 

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« Reply #1112 on: March 23, 2026, 02:02:37 PM »
Does he operate his own wells?  If so, he already had $$$ before the oil money.  If he doesn't, the decision likely isn't his, and also, I probably leased him at some point.  Well, maybe not, but I did more than my fair share in south Texas. 

Most people lease their land to production companies, and sometimes the force majeure clauses are tricky to navigate.  Most modern leases stipulate that the contract is voided if wells are capped for X number of days.  otoh, what you mentioned happens a lot.  Many--if not most--producers aren't interested in continuing production if the price of oil drops too low.  There does come a point where it's more expensive to bring it to market than what they can sell it for, so they'd rather just let it sit and sell the inventory at a higher price later.  It often results in some unfortunate situations where landowners are locked into leases that aren't helping them and keeping their property off the market for another producer more willing to do something with it, because the lessee waits almost until that X number of days goes by, starts up the well, cranks out a barrell (or the bare minimum cubic feet, if it's a natural gas well), shuts down the well again, and keeps the lease in force for another X number of days. 

Land owners get real bent out of shape about that. 

I assume someone else operates it, it's family land and they've been pumping for decades upon decades.  It's also an operating ranch and we used to go down there and camp and shoot and stuff.

As for the lease, I have no idea how it operates, but he makes between hundreds of thousands and millions of dollars every time they decide to start pumping, so he's fine with whatever deal he's got.

He's actually a Methodist minister, he was my youth pastor way back in the day.  He's fine with or without the money, but he certainly doesn't mind it when they decide to give him millions of dollars. 


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« Reply #1113 on: March 24, 2026, 07:39:49 AM »
This ain't gonna help much.

Huge explosion tears through major US oil refinery sparking 'take shelter' warning
Huge explosion tears through major US oil refinery sparking 'take shelter' warning
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« Reply #1114 on: March 24, 2026, 08:13:19 AM »
happy I won't be filling my tank until Thursday
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« Reply #1115 on: March 24, 2026, 09:42:12 AM »
I assume someone else operates it, it's family land and they've been pumping for decades upon decades.  It's also an operating ranch and we used to go down there and camp and shoot and stuff.

As for the lease, I have no idea how it operates, but he makes between hundreds of thousands and millions of dollars every time they decide to start pumping, so he's fine with whatever deal he's got.

He's actually a Methodist minister, he was my youth pastor way back in the day.  He's fine with or without the money, but he certainly doesn't mind it when they decide to give him millions of dollars.

Yep, there are lot of lucky folks like that.  I think I mentioned here a while back about an elderly lady in Robertson County who I had to deliver a royalties check to one time (that's not standard procedure at all, but there was some kind of problem depositing into her bank).  It was for one month's royalties, and it was for just over $1 mil.  I had met her before a few times on other business, so I was familiar with her vibe.  I was just shaking my head, trying to imagine passively making that much money in a month.  She, on the other hand, was just out in her chicken coop gathering eggs and doing other country-person chores at her old, modest house.  I figured she probably used that check as a bookmark and forgot about it.  

There are others for whom it's never enough.  No matter how much they were making to do nothing other than lease their land, they were up in arms about everything, especially when their wells weren't producing and not making them gobs of money that month.  Those people were inclined to let you hear about it.  

Like I could do anything about it anyway.  

Hypothetical conversation:

Me:  Hello, this call is to inform you that one of your lessors, Billy-Joe Jim-Bob, is unhappy that you've capped the well on his property and would like you to put it back into production.

Exxon:  Who are you?  And also, don't care, f*** off, kid.  

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« Reply #1116 on: Today at 08:57:25 AM »
My wife had some kind of laser survery yesterday on her gums, she has been grumpy, but she tries and pretend not to be.  I'd never heard of this fortunately.  It sounds pretty bad.  She says she's better this AM at least, so I'm being grumpy for her.

I'd probably still be in bed whining.

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« Reply #1117 on: Today at 01:08:52 PM »
couple guys bailed on my golf outing this afternoon in Des Moines

I suppose I could hope to get paired up with another cool dude like myself
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« Reply #1118 on: Today at 01:31:02 PM »
I doubt you could find another cool dude like yourself ...

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« Reply #1119 on: Today at 02:23:16 PM »
couple guys bailed on my golf outing this afternoon in Des Moines
The crosses we bear.....weren't you supposed to be working though???
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