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jgvol

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« Reply #966 on: Today at 03:09:36 PM »
I watched a pretty lengthy “moon denier” podcast a few weeks ago. Bart something or other , and Apollo astronaut Charlie Duke ( Apollo 15).

Aside from Charlie being 90+ years old and perhaps a bit senile on his answers the Bart person had a very poor case. A couple of seconds of video or film where something didn’t quite make sense and a supposed lag in the communications that didn’t exist.

Bart Sibrel. 

His documentary “Something happened on the way to the Moon” is fairly well known.  

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« Reply #967 on: Today at 03:23:43 PM »
Bart Sibrel.

His documentary “Something happened on the way to the Moon” is fairly well known. 
Quite frankly the guy looks like a pathetic loser and his "evidence" is just so thin.  For example, one of  his major pieces of evidence is that on some random transmissions (labeled "Not for Public Broadcast") NASA asks a question and the astronauts respond almost immediately.  But if you listen to the clip, it actually seems like they were asking a question, or a series of questions, and the astronauts simply were answering much faster than anticipated so it seems like there  was no delay.  Also, they were not actually at the moon, they were only halfway, and there is only like a 1-1.5 second delay 1/2 way to the moon.  

The other "major" piece of evidence is some random shot of the earth from inside the Apollo CSM that he claims shows that they placed a screen in front of the window to make the earth look small or something. I don't really know.  To be truthful, you can't really tell exactly what's going on.  

I've come to realize that no amount of "evidence" would ever convince any of them of anything.  They'll always have some kind of excuse why it's fake.  So I therefore think either they pretty much don't believe their own bullshit, but they have monetized this whole fake moon deal, or they're just simply nuts and that's all there is to it.  

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« Reply #968 on: Today at 03:28:39 PM »
Decided to try a new barber shop for a haircut today on my day off. Made an appt for 11:30. It's 11:53 and I'm still not in the chair...
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« Reply #969 on: Today at 03:35:05 PM »
Quite frankly the guy looks like a pathetic loser and his "evidence" is just so thin.  For example, one of  his major pieces of evidence is that on some random transmissions (labeled "Not for Public Broadcast") NASA asks a question and the astronauts respond almost immediately.  But if you listen to the clip, it actually seems like they were asking a question, or a series of questions, and the astronauts simply were answering much faster than anticipated so it seems like there  was no delay.  Also, they were not actually at the moon, they were only halfway, and there is only like a 1-1.5 second delay 1/2 way to the moon. 

The other "major" piece of evidence is some random shot of the earth from inside the Apollo CSM that he claims shows that they placed a screen in front of the window to make the earth look small or something. I don't really know.  To be truthful, you can't really tell exactly what's going on. 

I've come to realize that no amount of "evidence" would ever convince any of them of anything.  They'll always have some kind of excuse why it's fake.  So I therefore think either they pretty much don't believe their own bullshit, but they have monetized this whole fake moon deal, or they're just simply nuts and that's all there is to it. 

I'm familiar with all Sibrel's points.  I watched the doc a few different times over the years.  He makes some good points, IMO, but I'm no astrophysicist, so there's that.

As with many things I don't truly "know", I a very comfortable saying "I don't know" --- as opposed to have a very strong opinion one way or the other.  I was more confident in my youth, and it turns out I called people idiots often when we disagreed, only to find out later that I was the over confident, ill informed jackass.

Why anyone buys the government narrative hook, line, and sinker on anything is laughable to me.  They lie about everything else, why not the moon landing?  I'm not saying they are, but I'm also never giving them the benefit of the doubt....on anything.

As far as the moon landings were faked.....I don't know.  We probably did, I suppose.  

The most compelling case for faked moon landing comes from NASA themselves in some of their very questionable statements.  We lost the telemetry data, we recorded over the moon landing tapes, we can't get past the Van Allen radiation belt, etc.


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« Reply #970 on: Today at 03:46:09 PM »
I'm familiar with all Sibrel's points.  I watched the doc a few different times over the years.  He makes some good points, IMO, but I'm no astrophysicist, so there's that.

As with many things I don't truly "know", I a very comfortable saying "I don't know" --- as opposed to have a very strong opinion one way or the other.  I was more confident in my youth, and it turns out I called people idiots often when we disagreed, only to find out later that I was the over confident, ill informed jackass.

Why anyone buys the government narrative hook, line, and sinker on anything is laughable to me.  They lie about everything else, why not the moon landing?  I'm not saying they are, but I'm also never giving them the benefit of the doubt....on anything.

As far as the moon landings were faked.....I don't know.  We probably did, I suppose. 

The most compelling case for faked moon landing comes from NASA themselves in some of their very questionable statements.  We lost the telemetry data, we recorded over the moon landing tapes, we can't get past the Van Allen radiation belt, etc.
Well, one of Bart's big "gotcha's" is some rando NASA guy telling him they couldn't build the Saturn rockets anymore, they destroyed the technology or something. 

Well, first of all, just taking some random NASA's guy off the cuff comments about "not being able to build the rockets" is just a load of BS.  Yeah, we can't build a 1966 Mustang anymore either, because we "destroyed" the technology.  Nothing was destroyed, at least not right away.  There are in fact two fully built Saturn V rockets, intact, at Houston JSC and in Florida.  So that item alone is bunk.  Secondly, you can't just store entire product lines indefinitely that take up gargantuan amounts of space.  Some of the stuff was stored for years and years, but when they started building the space shuttle, they needed the space.  So yes, some of it did get scrapped.  You know what didn't get scrapped?  The crawler transport that carried (and still carries) the rockets to and from the launchpad, the Vehicle Assembly Building (VAB), the engine test stands still in use, the vacuum chambers still in use, the launchpads themselves, and decades of technology that was derived from Apollo Saturn.  

I'm with you on trusting the government blindly, but can we all at least agree that we did in fact launch multiple very large rockets, that we did in fact build multiple LM landers, and millions of people all around the world watched these rockets launch and hundreds and perhaps thousands of people actually tracked these things in orbit and in transit to the moon via amateur radio and other methods? 

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« Reply #971 on: Today at 03:49:51 PM »
Grumping about fake moon landings is EXACTLY the kind of topic this thread was designed for.  

Bravo, Gentlemen!


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« Reply #972 on: Today at 03:51:48 PM »
As far as "losing the telemetry data" and the video tapes, that was an unfortunate happening but it's in fact way overblown.  

Remember, they didn't have hard drives of multiple MB and GB just sitting on the shelf.  They had tapes and reel to reel.  

The only video tapes that were lost weren't actually lost, they reused the same tapes over and over, this was before the era of VHS and other related formats.  The tapes got obsolete, the players got obsolete, and nobody really ever thought about saving them.  We have the video, that's not lost, the only thing "lost" is the exact tapes they used to record the transmission.  I don't really remember all the specifics, but the cameras used on the lander were not 100% compatible with what we had on the ground, so they had to do some conversion that ended up with less fidelity than what they actually saw in mission control.  

Also, recall that they had film cameras and film motion cameras onboard the LM, of which we do still have the actual film, which has always been "High Fidelity" even beyond what we would consider HD with 1080 or even 4K.  Old fashioned film is more like 20x the fidelity of 1080 or 4K.  

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« Reply #973 on: Today at 03:53:46 PM »
Well, one of Bart's big "gotcha's" is some rando NASA guy telling him they couldn't build the Saturn rockets anymore, they destroyed the technology or something.

Well, first of all, just taking some random NASA's guy off the cuff comments about "not being able to build the rockets" is just a load of BS.  Yeah, we can't build a 1966 Mustang anymore either, because we "destroyed" the technology.  Nothing was destroyed, at least not right away.  There are in fact two fully built Saturn V rockets, intact, at Houston JSC and in Florida.  So that item alone is bunk.  Secondly, you can't just store entire product lines indefinitely that take up gargantuan amounts of space.  Some of the stuff was stored for years and years, but when they started building the space shuttle, they needed the space.  So yes, some of it did get scrapped.  You know what didn't get scrapped?  The crawler transport that carried (and still carries) the rockets to and from the launchpad, the Vehicle Assembly Building (VAB), the engine test stands still in use, the vacuum chambers still in use, the launchpads themselves, and decades of technology that was derived from Apollo Saturn. 

I'm with you on trusting the government blindly, but can we all at least agree that we did in fact launch multiple very large rockets, that we did in fact build multiple LM landers, and millions of people all around the world watched these rockets launch and hundreds and perhaps thousands of people actually tracked these things in orbit and in transit to the moon via amateur radio and other methods?

Let's start here:  (on "rando NASA guy" that says on video, we destroyed the technology)


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« Reply #974 on: Today at 03:56:09 PM »
Let's debunk some other gov't lies:

Did we really win WWII? I don't know anybody who died in the War, it was just a big scam to build bombs and get us out of the depression.  It was all a gov't fake.  

Did we really develop nuclear weapons?  If so, where is the proof?  If we did nuke Nagasaki and Hiroshima, why do people live there today?  What about the fall out?  Why didn't we just drop nukes on Kora/Vietnam/Iraq to win those wars? 

Are birds real?  I don't thinks so.  Birds are definitely a gov't lie.  There is no way something can fly.  

Astronauts/ISS?  Fake.  

Satellites?  Fake.  

Probes to Mars?  Fake.  

Nuclear powered submarine that surfaces under the north pole, breaking through the polar ice?  Fake.  


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« Reply #975 on: Today at 03:58:10 PM »
Let's start here:  (on "rando NASA guy" that says on video, we destroyed the technology)


Donald Roy Pettit....Fake.  He doesn't exist, never did.  Fake.  So anything he "says or said"...obviously also fake.  

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« Reply #976 on: Today at 04:00:51 PM »
As far as "losing the telemetry data" and the video tapes, that was an unfortunate happening but it's in fact way overblown. 

Remember, they didn't have hard drives of multiple MB and GB just sitting on the shelf.  They had tapes and reel to reel. 

The only video tapes that were lost weren't actually lost, they reused the same tapes over and over, this was before the era of VHS and other related formats.  The tapes got obsolete, the players got obsolete, and nobody really ever thought about saving them.  We have the video, that's not lost, the only thing "lost" is the exact tapes they used to record the transmission.  I don't really remember all the specifics, but the cameras used on the lander were not 100% compatible with what we had on the ground, so they had to do some conversion that ended up with less fidelity than what they actually saw in mission control. 

Also, recall that they had film cameras and film motion cameras onboard the LM, of which we do still have the actual film, which has always been "High Fidelity" even beyond what we would consider HD with 1080 or even 4K.  Old fashioned film is more like 20x the fidelity of 1080 or 4K. 

Yeah, just the original moon landing films....let's record "I Dream of Jeannie" over it.  F it.

LOL.  I am damn sure glad we didn't write over the Declaration of Independence, and someone in 1776, thought "Hey, me might want to preserve this historical document!"

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« Reply #977 on: Today at 04:03:18 PM »
Donald Roy Pettit....Fake.  He doesn't exist, never did.  Fake.  So anything he "says or said"...obviously also fake. 

You gonna let'em know?


https://www.nasa.gov/people/donald-r-pettit/

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« Reply #978 on: Today at 04:05:32 PM »
Let's debunk some other gov't lies:

Did we really win WWII? I don't know anybody who died in the War, it was just a big scam to build bombs and get us out of the depression.  It was all a gov't fake. 

Did we really develop nuclear weapons?  If so, where is the proof?  If we did nuke Nagasaki and Hiroshima, why do people live there today?  What about the fall out?  Why didn't we just drop nukes on Kora/Vietnam/Iraq to win those wars?

Are birds real?  I don't thinks so.  Birds are definitely a gov't lie.  There is no way something can fly. 

Astronauts/ISS?  Fake. 

Satellites?  Fake. 

Probes to Mars?  Fake. 

Nuclear powered submarine that surfaces under the north pole, breaking through the polar ice?  Fake. 



The inevitable moon landing guy crash out.  Didn't take long.  

I said, "I don't know, probably we did, I suppose."

Now I don't believe birds are real.  :57:

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« Reply #979 on: Today at 04:07:09 PM »
You gonna let'em know?


https://www.nasa.gov/people/donald-r-pettit/
Are you dense or something?  You'd really take NASA's word about somebody who never existed?  :67:

 

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