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Topic: OT - D-Day, what if?

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Re: OT - D-Day, what if?
« Reply #210 on: July 21, 2019, 08:25:18 AM »
Would the A-bomb have been useful in 1945 if Germany had hung into August?

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Re: OT - D-Day, what if?
« Reply #211 on: July 21, 2019, 10:10:04 AM »
I don't know how useful it would have been, but I'm sure that it would have been used.

It would have completed the destruction of Berlin had it been used there.
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Re: OT - D-Day, what if?
« Reply #212 on: July 21, 2019, 10:39:29 AM »
The B-29 project cost more than the Manhattan Project, and the A-bomb would not have been deliverable without the B-29 (Lancaster could have carried it with some mods to bomb bay).

Imagine B-29s going after Germany in mid-1945 like they did Tokyo.  Germany probably still had more of an AA threat.

"We" tend to think of wars as ending like WW 2 ended, almost total destruction, but in history that is less frequent I think.  The US Civil War ended with just about complete demolition of the South's ability to make war at all.  It's fortunate the south didn't engage in guerrilla tactics.


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« Reply #213 on: July 21, 2019, 11:02:04 AM »
Not sure they would have,knowing it would affect surrounding countries greatly.Where Japan was in isolated surroundings
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Re: OT - D-Day, what if?
« Reply #214 on: July 21, 2019, 01:42:36 PM »
There wasn't much known at the time about radiation impact.  We endured years of nuclear weapons testing in the atmosphere before it was stopped.

I think the most deadly single bombing raid was the one that hit Tokyo with incendiaries and HE.

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« Reply #215 on: July 21, 2019, 02:16:56 PM »
Yup took more lives than Little Boy and Fat Man together.Unfortunately the Germans & Japanese left little recourse dealing with Hitler & Hirohito.They worshipped these creeps and their crimes against humanity
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Re: OT - D-Day, what if?
« Reply #216 on: July 21, 2019, 02:31:47 PM »
Your average Japanese person was being lied to about the war and had no reason to doubt it until the B-29s and B-24s started hitting the home land in force.  Japan had never been invaded, or attacked, aside from Doolittle (which was a shock for that reason).  I think we launched some B-29s from China to hit Japan early in 1944 but the logistics of that was ridiculous, so it wasn't until Saipan and Tinian and Guam fell (mid-1944) that the bombing started, which was November 1944.

I guess by then they knew things were going badly, but not how badly.  The Japanese armies were still deep into China in large numbers.  I'm sure by early 1945 the average Japanese person was beginning to feel the pinch on food.  The islands could have been starved into submission by 1946 entailing mass starvation into the millions.




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Re: OT - D-Day, what if?
« Reply #217 on: July 21, 2019, 03:38:02 PM »
 I'm sure by early 1945 the average Japanese person was beginning to feel the pinch on food.  The islands could have been starved into submission by 1946 entailing mass starvation into the millions.
Good Point,just glad GI's weren't sent en masse.Make it painful for THEM.Wouldn't have taken long to figure out their emperor wasn't Divine
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Re: OT - D-Day, what if?
« Reply #218 on: July 22, 2019, 03:48:53 PM »
Germany probably still had more of an AA threat.
Not probably, definitely.  The Japanese AA threat was minimal to nonexistent by 1945.  The bombing raids over Japan typically suffered more losses to mechanical issues than to enemy action.  They didn't have many planes, they didn't have any fuel even for the planes that they did have, they didn't have any experienced pilots, and their planes were not up to anything close to German standards.  

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« Reply #219 on: July 22, 2019, 03:53:47 PM »
I think we launched some B-29s from China to hit Japan early in 1944 but the logistics of that was ridiculous, 
The logistics of bombing Japan from China were beyond ridiculous.  It took something like 10 B29 flights back-and-forth between India (supply bases) and the Chinese airfields to launch one B29 flight against Japan.  

Note that those flights between India and China had to fly over the Himalayas.  They called it "flying the Hump".  I know about this because when I was a kid I mowed a yard for an old lady in town who was a widow.  She had been a widow for about 45 years since her husband died in 1943 or 1944.  He was "flying the Hump" and crashed into the Himalayas.  She was probably about 70 years old when I was taking care of her yard and she would point to a picture of a dashing young Army Air Corp Officer in his dress uniform and say that her husband would always be young.  

 

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