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Re: OT - Cable Alternatives
« Reply #196 on: May 17, 2018, 07:04:39 PM »
People in my neighborhood mount dishes to their roofs/chimneys/eaves or what have you. I have no idea whether or not it's "officially" allowed but by sheer volume, I suspect it is.  

One thing I know the HOA can't do (because they have tried) was to block solar panel installation.  
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Re: OT - Cable Alternatives
« Reply #197 on: May 18, 2018, 12:03:17 AM »
My apartment complex and Dish Network had conflicting reports.  The apartment says nothing can stick out from the back porch footprint and Dish said they have to allow a dish, by law.  So that's fun.

I didn't care either way, but both were very passionate, lol.
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« Reply #198 on: May 18, 2018, 01:40:00 AM »
There are regularly covenants in HOA articles/rules/regs. which are unenforceable, but somebody's gotta push the issue to penetrate them.   We've seen this with window types, use of certain materials and the like.   Truth is, most people don't want to fight it.   

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Re: OT - Cable Alternatives
« Reply #199 on: May 18, 2018, 07:20:55 AM »
With all the fiber AT&T is going to be putting in, soon the dish will be obsolete.
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Re: OT - Cable Alternatives
« Reply #200 on: May 18, 2018, 07:32:16 AM »
hopefully the internet connection is not through the satellite

hopefully a fiber connection to a DSLAM in the basement
The internet has gone down when TV was up and vice versa.  
It seems to be fairly fast, they claimed 40 something somethings.
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Re: OT - Cable Alternatives
« Reply #201 on: May 18, 2018, 07:35:39 AM »
1.21 gigawatts


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Re: OT - Cable Alternatives
« Reply #202 on: May 18, 2018, 08:09:38 AM »
1.21 gigawatts

Maybe in Texas, that isn't much, but around here, whoa.

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« Reply #203 on: May 18, 2018, 08:19:47 AM »
My air conditioner uses about 1.21 gigawatts per day, I'm pretty sure.

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Re: OT - Cable Alternatives
« Reply #204 on: May 18, 2018, 11:32:56 AM »
With all the fiber AT&T is going to be putting in, soon the dish will be obsolete.
I don't know about Dish's plans but AT&T intends to move all TV customers to DirectTV Now streaming.  If anyone has an AT&T unlimited wireless plan, they get a cost break on DirecTV Now and streaming doesn't apply to the data caps.

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« Reply #205 on: May 18, 2018, 11:37:48 AM »
I don't know about Dish's plans but AT&T intends to move all TV customers to DirectTV Now streaming.  If anyone has an AT&T unlimited wireless plan, they get a cost break on DirecTV Now and streaming doesn't apply to the data caps.
I think Dish will be out of business before it's all said and done.
AT&T is not possible yet up here. Those competitor commercials on TV are accurate - AT&T is terrible and they lie about their capabilities.
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I know I just landed a contract with AT&T to help with layout and easements for new fiber lines, and that will change the game. I'd drop Comcast in a heartbeat if there were a viable AT&T option, and it will be - hopefully before I leave this state.
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« Reply #206 on: May 18, 2018, 12:08:39 PM »
With all the fiber AT&T is going to be putting in, soon the dish will be obsolete.
They don't want to lay fiber any more. They want to go wireless. It's all about the 5G rollout. 

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« Reply #207 on: May 18, 2018, 12:17:38 PM »
The internet has gone down when TV was up and vice versa.  
It seems to be fairly fast, they claimed 40 something somethings.
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40 Mbps (Megabits per second) is plenty of downstream for any HD streaming you and your wife would be enjoying, plus most any other internet activity.
If a flavor of DSL over copper the upstream bandwidth can cause problems while doing backups of data or sending pics up to the cloud.
ADSL is very popular for internet providers.  A = Asymmetric and limits upstream bandwidth, but increases downstream performance.
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« Reply #208 on: May 18, 2018, 12:18:01 PM »
My new contract calls for layout of up to 500 miles of fiber in the Chicago area. I think they want to lay fiber and I think I'll take their money. Just like I took their money 4-6 years ago surveying all of the cell towers they sold off.

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« Reply #209 on: May 18, 2018, 12:31:19 PM »
I don't know about Dish's plans but AT&T intends to move all TV customers to DirectTV Now streaming.  If anyone has an AT&T unlimited wireless plan, they get a cost break on DirecTV Now and streaming doesn't apply to the data caps.
Dish also has SlingTV. They recognized early on that they (like DirecTV) have a "city problem", in that people in the city have a lot of options, and they also have good broadband speeds. So they can't compete as easily in the cities with pure satellite, and decided that they could lure customers away from cable using streaming. 
They've done some interesting things, and actually the SlingTV customers can often be more profitable for ad revenue than their normal satellite customers, as they can target ads to the individual user that are more in line with what the user has interest in (not sure if they do it based on viewing patterns or based on cookies on your PC though). 
I think Dish will be out of business before it's all said and done.
Dish is a very interesting company. I can only speak in broad terms about them (i.e. things they've said in their investor calls, etc) as I work closely with them (supporting them on HDDs in their DVR boxes) and have more of a view into what they're doing than most people.
But they've done some REALLY interesting things with their business over the past few years (all of this is public info):
1) Obviously SlingTV as I mention above. They have first mover advantage in the streaming TV package, and IMHO while Hulu, DirecTV Now, and Youtube are trying to come in at a higher price point, SlingTV has been maintaining the bottom tier price point. And a Sling user can be very profitable, both from the targeted ad point I raise above, but also because Dish doesn't have to provide that user with a single piece of equipment. For satellite, cable, etc, a truck roll to replace a box is a HUGE cost. The streaming guys don't roll trucks.
2) They went through a few years ago and basically fired their least profitable customers. They used to have all sorts of plans to chase customers who had poor credit, etc, presuming that "subscriber count" was the end-all be-all of their business. The problem was that SAC [subscriber acquisition cost] was way too high relative to the profit they'd make from a user, and the bottom tier of users would probably end up losing them money overall. Couple that with users [again, city users are the worst for this as they have alternative options] who would basically play out the 2 year promotional cost and then switch to the next best deal. So they analyzed who those customers were and stopped catering to them. The real key customers for both satellite guys are the rural customers. Those folks don't often have good broadband (so streaming is a no-go) and they don't have a host of alternative providers, so they frequently don't play the "2-year then switch" game. For Dish, by getting rid of some customers, they actually improved their business because their average profit per customer increased greatly by losing the bad ones. I think long-term, satellite will fade, but the rural customer base makes long-term a little longer than you'd think.
3) Dish owns a LOT of wireless spectrum. Wireless spectrum can be valuable, and Dish, by picking up a lot of it in FCC auctions, has a lot of valuable wireless "real estate". The next few years will be a big test to see if they can actually put it to use and transform the company out of simply "satellite TV" and into "connectivity". If you read the investor calls [at least until Charlie Ergen stepped down as CEO last December to focus on the wireless stuff; I haven't read any in the last quarter or two], it was clear that Dish saw the writing on the wall about the future of TV and has been working to remake the company to take advantage of new opportunities. Ergen said repeatedly on calls that his vision was for the company to be a connectivity company, not a satellite TV company. 
4) There have also been a lot of rumors that Dish is an acquisition target, particularly due to the large amounts of spectrum they own. 
Will they be successful? I don't know. Ergen is a VERY interesting dude, and I honestly believe that he saw a LONG time ago that the company needed to pivot. He's made some big bets on spectrum, and if they play out right for him, Dish is going to be just fine. 

 

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