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Topic: OT - Best albums to listen to straight through

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« Reply #126 on: April 13, 2025, 08:34:43 AM »
"Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."

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Re: OT - Best albums to listen to straight through
« Reply #127 on: April 14, 2025, 05:21:04 AM »
I once had the DGG set of Beethoven's Nine Symphonies by George Szell and the Cleveland orchestra, I could listen to that all the way through given time.

The local ASO performed his Second, which is somewhat rarely played, and it's excellent.

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Re: OT - Best albums to listen to straight through
« Reply #128 on: April 14, 2025, 03:09:52 PM »
London Calling by the Clash


https://youtu.be/LC2WpBcdM_A
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Re: OT - Best albums to listen to straight through
« Reply #130 on: April 15, 2025, 07:58:44 AM »
it seems many times the debut album is the best of the career
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« Reply #131 on: April 15, 2025, 09:15:19 AM »
it seems many times the debut album is the best of the career
Yeah and I think it makes sense.  For the first album, the songwriters of the band have likely been saving up their good stuff for a while.  They put it on the album, and then have to produce another album a year or two later, with far less time to develop more of the really good stuff.  Then a third album a year or two later when the reserves of good writing are even more depleted, and so on.

That's my working theory, anyway.

It could also be related to novelty.  For a first album, it's a sound we haven't heard before.  After that, it's either more of the same which isn't all that interesting, or it's dramatically different which might turn us off since the debut album sound, is the one we liked in the first place.

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Re: OT - Best albums to listen to straight through
« Reply #132 on: April 15, 2025, 09:46:24 AM »
Albums from my youth I liked a lot when I was a yute:

Eat a Peach

Crosby Stills and Nash something something

Yes

Pink Floyd DSotM  (this would be a topper for me)

Oscar Peterson We get Requests

I dimly recall having a slew of "Best Hits" albums and CDs by various and sundry.



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« Reply #133 on: April 15, 2025, 09:47:20 AM »
Sting's entire early career is a wet dream for a drummer.  Dream of the Blue Turtles was the masterful Omar Hakim.  Nothing Like the Sun was the magnificent Manu Katche.  Ten Summoner's Tales began Sting's decade-long collaboration with the incomparable Vinnie Colaiuta. 

I'd like to correct what I said here, because it's factually inaccurate and I'm not sure why I experienced brain-error in something I know so well.  I guess I just had the TST album on my mind in that post.  Vinnie Colaiuta began playing on Sting's records one album prior to TST, on Soul Cages. 

@utee94 mentioned Kenny Kirkland in the previous post he made about Sting.  He was on the early records, and then Sting switched to David Sancious on TST, who brought something different I really liked.  But Sting went back to Kirkland on the follow-up album, Mercury Falling.  Then Kirkland died (RIP), and I was hoping Sting would get back with Sancious, but I don't think he ever did.  Post-Merury Falling, Sting began a gradual path where each album lost me a little more. 

I have enjoyed his most recent effort from 2021, The Bridge.  A couple of the songs remind me of the TST era.  But like so many of my favorite artists, my favorite stuff is in the past, and they either can't do it anymore, or they have no interest in it.  It sounds odd to suggest that maybe they can't anymore, but I believe a lot of what artists create is heavily built on zeitgeist, and just because they were the creators doesn't mean they can now create more just like it. 

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« Reply #134 on: April 15, 2025, 10:22:05 AM »
Yeah and I think it makes sense.  For the first album, the songwriters of the band have likely been saving up their good stuff for a while.  They put it on the album, and then have to produce another album a year or two later, with far less time to develop more of the really good stuff.  Then a third album a year or two later when the reserves of good writing are even more depleted, and so on.

That's my working theory, anyway.

It could also be related to novelty.  For a first album, it's a sound we haven't heard before.  After that, it's either more of the same which isn't all that interesting, or it's dramatically different which might turn us off since the debut album sound, is the one we liked in the first place.
Yeah, and I also have a theory that once a band has achieved fame, it's hard to come up with the "hunger" that they had when they were nobodies. Especially as I think a lot of the best art comes from the expression of the down times, and once you're famous, there aren't so many of those any more.

Like the old quote: The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. - George Bernard Shaw

I think that once the fame and fortune come, artists often turn into the "reasonable" man, which they were not before. 

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Re: OT - Best albums to listen to straight through
« Reply #135 on: April 15, 2025, 10:35:40 AM »
that's mostly my feeling
but, Utee's is a valid point
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« Reply #136 on: April 15, 2025, 10:50:23 AM »
Maybe it's the trifecta.

utee94 says the best stuff is used up.  That seems right, and the little bit of empirical evidence I have from being around so many musicians backs that up. 

brad says people change into "less hungry" people, which seems right, and is an observation I made about a rock band around 25 years ago whose second album was so popular, and people complained when their third came out, and it felt to me like they weren't angry anymore, which I thought drove the success of their first two albums. 

I mentioned the times they live in and how some things just can't be duplicated because by the time their 3rd and 4th albums come out, culture has moved on and any particular artist capable of producing something amazing in one time can't necessarily do it in another. 

None of those are mutually exclusive, and all seem reasonable, and even likely.  If so, that explains a lot about why it seems so many bands/artists peak early.  They could be facing any one of those things, or a combination. 

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Re: OT - Best albums to listen to straight through
« Reply #138 on: April 15, 2025, 11:03:34 AM »
Maybe it's the trifecta.

utee94 says the best stuff is used up.  That seems right, and the little bit of empirical evidence I have from being around so many musicians backs that up. 

brad says people change into "less hungry" people, which seems right, and is an observation I made about a rock band around 25 years ago whose second album was so popular, and people complained when their third came out, and it felt to me like they weren't angry anymore, which I thought drove the success of their first two albums. 

I mentioned the times they live in and how some things just can't be duplicated because by the time their 3rd and 4th albums come out, culture has moved on and any particular artist capable of producing something amazing in one time can't necessarily do it in another. 

None of those are mutually exclusive, and all seem reasonable, and even likely.  If so, that explains a lot about why it seems so many bands/artists peak early.  They could be facing any one of those things, or a combination. 
Yup, agree, all make sense.

Your point kind of matches the second one I made, about novelty.  First albums tend to debut a unique sound, but if the second album is "more of the same" then it can be less interesting because it's no longer novel, and possibly it no longer matches the cultural environment.  Alternatively if the next album is a major departure from the original sound, then it might not capture what we liked about the band in the first place.

I think one of the best examples of changing times/culture/environment, is they way grunge just completely eradicated hair metal within the span of 18-24 months.  All of a sudden the hair metal bands just couldn't get airplay, they couldn't fill venues, they almost completely vanished.  A style that had existed for 15 or so years, just completely gone from pop culture, in a span of months.  And they were HUGLEY popular, selling out stadiums and massive arenas one day, and then barely able to book night clubs the next.  Some bands that had deeper roots and better chops survived, bands like Van Halen and Guns n Roses, but all of the Slaughters and Wingers and Warrants of the world were here today, gone tomorrow.  And even Van Halen and GnR, never topped the peak popularity they had in 1991/92 or so.  I've just always found that to be very interesting.

 

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« Reply #139 on: April 15, 2025, 11:28:24 AM »
The grunge revolution is one of the swiftest and most severe cultural changes I've ever witnessed in my four-and-a-half decades.  You're so right, the hair bands were here one day, and poof.....gone the next. 

What's odd to me about what I mentioned is that in a lot of cases, even when the bands stick around with less notoriety, they just don't seem to have a handle on their earlier vibe even when they clearly try.  Referencing the hair bands again for an example, I picked up a Poison album around 2002 out of curiosity.  They clearly were still aiming for the same thing they did in the 80's, but it just wasn't happening.  It's like, they knew the formula, but the formula required the actual 80's to be present in order for it to work.  It's a weird thing, because those bands can still perform their old material and it's just as good, so I know it's not a matter of my tastes moving on.  They just can't write new stuff that quite sounds the same. 

I also think your point about the catch-22 of audience expectations is right on.  It may last for a few albums instead of just the first one, but after a while it does seem like audiences either slip into the "Oh, this is the same thing they've been doing....meh" category, or the "Oh, they changed their sound and I liked how they used to sound" category.  Acts that maintained a good quality and good a fanbase over a longer time-span of multiple albums are probably rare, and they have my respect. 

 

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