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« Reply #126 on: April 06, 2026, 10:17:28 AM »
Although I was in 1st or 2nd grade for that, I don't have the clearest memory during that time.  But I know for a fact we did not watch the Challenger launch in class.  Which is kind of odd, because it seems like the kind of thing they would've wheeled in a TV for.  

However, even though I didn't watch it, I've been plagued by a vague anxiety over shuttle-launches ever since.  It doesn't affect me to the point where anyone would notice, but I have a gnawing sense of dread for the crews of those missions.  

I think the Discovery was the next shuttle launch I remember after Challenger, and we did watch that.  I was still pretty young, and at that time my stomach was in knots and I was half fit to be tied.  It was worse back then.  

Anxiety, man.  

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« Reply #127 on: April 06, 2026, 10:22:49 AM »
I had some nerves about Artemis II also, and will have about the reentry…

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« Reply #128 on: April 06, 2026, 10:23:16 AM »
Using SRBs to launch is a bit dicey.

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« Reply #129 on: April 06, 2026, 01:40:12 PM »
Using SRBs to launch is a bit dicey.
Unlike STS (Space Shuttle), SLS has an escape tower.  In theory, any mishap with the rocket or SRB's, the crew could escape without harm.  

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Re: OT Artemis II
« Reply #130 on: April 06, 2026, 03:20:29 PM »
youtube artemis compared with apollo 8 - Google Search

Pretty neat video on actual trajectories.

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« Reply #132 on: April 07, 2026, 06:04:03 PM »
youtube artemis compared with apollo 8 - Google Search

Pretty neat video on actual trajectories.
Apollo 8 was a superb mission. They sent The full Apollo CSM Saturn V stack around the moon on its very first launch.  They did this because the Soviets were very close to sending a manned capsule around the moon ( Zond). They had already successfully sent a Zond test flight around the moon with animal passengers. The 2nd and 3rd Zond failed without humans, but we didn’t know that yet. Once we went to the moon and came back there was no longer a reason for Zond. It couldn’t support a lander or I believe multiple crew members. 

Also,Apollo 8 actually orbited the moon. They had to fire up the CSM main engine and do a breaking maneuver. 
8 months later, Neil and Buzz walked on the moon. 

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« Reply #133 on: April 07, 2026, 06:05:30 PM »
It was indeed spectacular.  One of the great photos of the century.

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« Reply #134 on: April 07, 2026, 06:09:49 PM »
BTW. Not sure if you’ve followed that all, but the new NASA administrator, Jared Isaacman, seems to be doing a very good job. For those that don’t know , he’s a self-made billionaire. Founded payment company Shift 4, and also a 2x private astronaut. 

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« Reply #135 on: April 08, 2026, 09:54:31 AM »
Temporarily co-opting the No Stupid Questions element from another thread and transferring it here:

How would you describe the main difference in objectives, purpose, technology, and level of impressiveness (or any other category you think is relevant) in:  NASA, and private companies like Blue Origin and SpaceX.  Explain as if you're talking to someone who knows virtually nothing about what they're doing or how big of a deal it all is, either in scope of mission or in historical context.  

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« Reply #136 on: April 08, 2026, 09:57:18 AM »
NASA and SpaceX are partners, not separate entities exactly.

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« Reply #137 on: April 09, 2026, 10:53:36 PM »
Temporarily co-opting the No Stupid Questions element from another thread and transferring it here:

How would you describe the main difference in objectives, purpose, technology, and level of impressiveness (or any other category you think is relevant) in:  NASA, and private companies like Blue Origin and SpaceX.  Explain as if you're talking to someone who knows virtually nothing about what they're doing or how big of a deal it all is, either in scope of mission or in historical context. 
For one, NASA is a governmental, and thus political agency. It’s “mission” is to do what Congress prescribes. And that is mostly the problem. Every two or four years, it’s given a slightly, or drastically different mission. 

The truth is, we had space by the balls in the late 60’s and early 70’s. The Saturn V was and is, unmatched. Not even with “the most powerful rocket ever flown “ SLS. 

Nasa is full of smart and talented people, who need consistent leadership, funding, and direction. 

Space X is (right now) a private entity. Conceived and funded by either the world’s Smartest man, or the world’s biggest conman. Maybe a combination of both. But you can’t argue with results. You can watch interviews from 20+ years ago, Musk says the same thing. He wants to send humans to Mars. He’s said it over and over.  

Blue Origin is also a private entity, also conceived and funded by a billionaire. Strangely, BO was founded BEFORE SX. 

Because of Space X, it’s very likely the United States has a 5-10 year lead on other countries space program. We lead the world in launches to space.  By a large margin. We lead mass to space by a very wide margin. None of this was true ~15 years ago. 15 years ago, the leading launch providers were Russia and Arianna Space.  The US only launched military and government satellites. 


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« Reply #138 on: April 09, 2026, 11:06:55 PM »
The truth is, what Artemis is doing is not all that technically difficult. You could probably send a Dragon capsule around the moon on a Falcon Heavy (2/3 the power of SLS, 10% of the price) with minimal modifications. Sure, you’d need a different upper stage, and it’d have to be human rated. The heat shield and radiation shield would need upgrades. These are all solved problems, it simply takes money and will. 


 

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