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Re: OT Artemis II
« Reply #70 on: January 28, 2026, 07:34:12 AM »
The use of gas in war has been sparse since treaties were enacted.
Turkey, Syria, Iraq... all on their own people.  Rhodesian war saw use and Nicaragua saw similar use, though not aerosolized so much but instead sewn into soil otherwise intended for agriculture. Rhodesia's bane was anthrax,  which is a strange substance straddling chemical and biological when it has been weaponized- as its encapsulated in a protective cell where it can "live" a long, long time or until its disturbed or wetted.  In central America the govt and the rebels destroyed fertile soil in effort to deny food from one vantage, and economic asset to the other.  I don’t recall what they used if I ever knew, but it was something that takes generations to neutralize. 

An aside- the Vuelta bajo in Cuba is the tobacco growing region.  Cuba has a govt appointed "master blender" for their cigar manufacturing.  They had a introduction of new labels event way back in the early 2ks, and this master blender was asked "who is growing the best crop right now?" And he answered "the padron plantation"... it was a bit shocking because the padron's are in Nicaragua. Turns out what we believed was Cuban puros cigars are blends with variants from other nations. Thats significant because it shows how they are getting their feet back under themselves from the destruction of wars... that master blender went on to say "when Nicaragua and Honduras recovers, their soil is better for growing than our own"..... to better understand that, though, this was post hurricane Andrew which really jacked them (cuba) up badly- destroying that industry infrastructure and with heavy infusion of runoff, and whatever comes along with it, into the soil.

NASA, if interested in colonizing Mars, should pay attention to how those guys make and then keep their soil fertile.  :)

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Re: OT Artemis II
« Reply #71 on: January 28, 2026, 10:08:35 AM »
Haven't read the whole thread but I lived the space race.  I knew all the rockets astronauts, etc..  had a giant model of the Saturn v complete with a lunar module.  I have a super 8 film where we filmed the first walk on the moon off put TV.  Never missed anything not a launch, not a space walk. Not a moon landing.  It was very formative for a young kid.  I pity the generations since who didn't have this common national feat.  Could be what we need as a nation is a lofty goal that inspires us.

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Re: OT Artemis II
« Reply #72 on: January 28, 2026, 11:27:55 AM »


This impresses me.  I would be interested in understanding how much technical guidance Musk offered beyond some broad concepts.

This is highly sophisticated stuff.

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Re: OT Artemis II
« Reply #73 on: January 28, 2026, 11:28:14 AM »
V3 will use SpaceX’s new Raptor 3 engines on both the Super Heavy booster and the Starship upper stage. These engines are designed to offer more thrust, better efficiency, and improved reliability than earlier Raptors. In fully reusable mode, Starship V3 could carry ~100 tons (or more) of cargo to low Earth orbit (LEO) — a massive increase compared to current rockets like Falcon 9. Some projections suggest even ~200 tons when optimized

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Re: OT Artemis II
« Reply #74 on: January 28, 2026, 03:50:11 PM »


This impresses me.  I would be interested in understanding how much technical guidance Musk offered beyond some broad concepts.

This is highly sophisticated stuff.
I have read articles (written well before some of his current political forays) that he's heavily involved.  It's claimed that he was the one who was relentless on prices, reusability, pushing the technical envelope.  They say he's fired people who he didn't think worked hard enough.  

I don't know, it seems improbable to me that he would not be one of the main scientific and engineering forces behind the company.  It's just can't all be "cracking the whip".  

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« Reply #75 on: January 28, 2026, 04:07:36 PM »
I'd guess Elon hired a bunch of folks from NASA - but I'm just guessing
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Re: OT Artemis II
« Reply #76 on: January 28, 2026, 04:21:23 PM »
I'd guess Elon hired a bunch of folks from NASA - but I'm just guessing
He did, eventually.  If you've ever read the history of Space X, their first rocket was called a Falcon 5 (5 engines).  They made three launch attempts with a shoe string budget and failed all three times. It was basically Elon and a bunch of barely graduated college kids with a few veterans sprinkled in.  On the 4th try they got to orbit.  There are some old magazine articles floating around where "old space" is mocking them because they were so ambitious.  Elon had set his sights on re-use from day one.  They claimed you could never make re-use work with a real rocket (launches and lands vertically) because of the mass penalty.  Essentially, every ounce of mass not needed for orbit is less payload.  Indeed, they fly an "expendable" version of Falcon 9 and Falcon 9 Heavy that will throw a much larger payload into space.  

They managed to snag a NASA contract (along with several other now defunct companies like Helium and Armadilo Aerospace) to resupply the ISS which saved the company.  Elon immediately realized that the Falcon 5 would never be big enough to be competitive and it only successfully flew one time, they evolved to the Falcon 9 and by 2020 they were (and still are ) the only company approved the fly astronauts into space to the ISS.  Boeing's ship (called Starliner) has been an abject disaster. Over schedule, failed 2x, first crew had to come home on Space X ship because Boeing ship was junk.  And, Boeing got $4 billion, Space X got half.  

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Re: OT Artemis II
« Reply #77 on: January 28, 2026, 04:23:34 PM »
The irony is that we have faster means of propulsion, technically speaking.  Nuclear ships, fusion drives, all sorts of ways to get faster. They need to be built and used in space, you can’t do it on earth because of the environment. In space, it’s already radioactive, and no police to stop you.

We have faster means of propulsion than a Warp Core Reactor?  

One of us is not saying what the other thinks we're saying, just not sure which one of us it is.  

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Re: OT Artemis II
« Reply #78 on: January 28, 2026, 04:24:06 PM »
Infinite improbability drive.

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Re: OT Artemis II
« Reply #79 on: January 28, 2026, 04:36:50 PM »
In short: the SR-71 followed the Earth's curvature the same way any airplane does—by flying at a constant altitude. Gravity kept pulling it "down" toward the center of the Earth, lift kept it from falling, and its speed was nowhere near what's needed to overcome that pull and enter space. The stunning views of the curved horizon came from being high up in a very thin atmosphere, not from being in orbit or space itself.


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Re: OT Artemis II
« Reply #80 on: January 28, 2026, 04:56:40 PM »
An object in orbit is still falling, constantly, but it's also "going" outwardly, sufficient that it falls in an infinite (almost) arc around the planet.  It's 17,000 mph for low Earth orbit.  Geostationary orbites are much higher (and slower).  Once you hit 25,000 mph, you are leaving Earth's gravity well, which is necessary to get to the Moon (and beyond).

That also means when you return from the Moon you're going to come back around 25,000 mph.

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Re: OT Artemis II
« Reply #81 on: January 28, 2026, 05:19:51 PM »
Like many here, I was pretty consumed with space stuff as a kid as well.  I learned enough about rocket engines to realize, to an extent, they are very complex beasts, especially if they need to be throttlable.  The concept of having the first stage return and land struck me as silly initially, but they are able to do it, usually, and apparently the math works.  The SRBs on the shuttle were reused but they are "simple" solid fuel rockets, not throttlable.  Even minor items like cone design and material are not "simple" or minor.

I can see Musk throwing out concepts and pushing folks without getting into the details of rocket motor design.

I'd note the Russkis are also approved to get folks up to the ISS.  For a while they were "it".  We lacked the means.

I still am not sure why this probe couldn't be unmanned entirely to lower risk.

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Re: OT Artemis II
« Reply #82 on: January 29, 2026, 09:46:37 AM »
We have faster means of propulsion than a Warp Core Reactor? 

One of us is not saying what the other thinks we're saying, just not sure which one of us it is. 
We have faster means of propulsion than current tech.  Obviously we're not going warp speed anytime soon.  

Generally speaking, it takes about 6 months to get to Mars.  But there is tech that is technically viable to get there way faster, more like a month.  

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Re: OT Artemis II
« Reply #83 on: January 29, 2026, 12:58:52 PM »
With technology as it currently stands, are there only certain times when spacecraft can be sent to Mars?  i.e., does the location of Earth and Mars in their respective orbits have to be in a certain place in order to make it possible?  

Like, when they're relatively close together, I mean.  And how often does that occur?  

My assumption is that there's times when Earth and Mars are basically on different sides of the sun, thus very far apart, and that might not be ideal--or impossible with today's technology--to navigate.  But you know what they say about assumptions....

 

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