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medinabuckeye1

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OT Artemis II
« on: January 24, 2026, 09:19:33 PM »
https://www.nasa.gov/blogs/missions/2026/01/23/artemis-ii-crew-enters-quarantine-ahead-of-journey-around-moon/

This is pretty cool IMHO. 

In all of history the only humans who have ever traveled higher than earth orbit are the Apollo Astronauts from 1968-1972. In the 53 years since (including my entire lifetime) no human has traveled beyond orbit. If all goes well, that is about to change. 

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Re: OT Artemis II
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2026, 10:52:02 PM »
I wouldn't do it.

unless I was paid handsomely
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Re: OT Artemis II
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2026, 05:21:39 AM »
I wouldn't do it.

unless I was paid handsomely
no more income tax for me ever


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Re: OT Artemis II
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2026, 07:31:49 AM »
Once you leave the magnetic field, there's a lot of exposure to radiation. 

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Re: OT Artemis II
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2026, 08:40:18 AM »
Well then take the magnets out of your microwave,DUH
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Re: OT Artemis II
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2026, 01:40:55 PM »
Once you leave the magnetic field, there's a lot of exposure to radiation.
A lot of the Apollo Astronauts lived (still living!) well into their 80’s and 90’s. Not sure how much extra radiation exposure they sustain, but I think it’s somewhat low, unless there is some kind of solar event.  

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Re: OT Artemis II
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2026, 01:57:24 PM »
well, they wore the tin foil suits, Duh!
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Re: OT Artemis II
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2026, 04:12:20 PM »
I don't know how many of you follow the space program (what passes for today's space program) or what you know about the Artemis program but I'll give you a primer and some healthy criticism.  

I think most of you here are around my age, solid Gen X (born sometime in the early to mid-70's), with a healthy helping of Boomers, born in the late 50's and 60's (I'm looking at you Cincy).  I think we have a few millennials here as well, although I'd guess none born after 1990.  

I think some of you boomers will remember when America had a real space program, in the late 60' and early 70's, when we sent 7 missions to land on the moon (one failed), and several more to orbit it, and one that could have landed but did not (Apollo X for those keeping track).  

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« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2026, 04:20:44 PM »
Now, as I hope you know, the United States used a very powerful rocket called the Saturn V to accomplish all this ( I'll skip the Mercury and Gemini rockets, they're like a non-conference game almost).  The Saturn V used 3 stages to get to the moon, with the Apollo CSM (command module) and the LM (lunar module) sitting on top.  It could sling both craft to the moon in one launch.  

One of the reasons why we succeeded at Apollo where so many other gov't programs fall short is because we were in a space race with the Soviet Union.  They beat us to space, first space walk, first woman in space, first satellite, first man in space.  First everything, for a long time.  So we put all our effort into it, and succeeded supremely, with a few life altering failures along the way (Apollo I fire).  The Soviets, even though they denied it, never could get their rocket to successfully launch.  We went with 5 large engines, they went with dozens of smaller but extremely powerful engines.  The problem was that you really needed a good controlling program or system, and they did not.  

We beat Kennedy's deadline to get to the moon, twice (two landings in 1969).  No DEI, nobody was worried about how many women to send or what color.  Well, let's just agree that the people in charge didn't worry about it, and that's all that really matters.  Along the way we invented multiple technologies that seriously advanced us as a country.  Things like portable computers, aerospace innovation, engine technology, communications.  

We got so good at it, we landed 4 more times in the 1970's, (one failure, Apollo 13 that was safely brough home.  Cue Tom Hanks).   

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Re: OT Artemis II
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2026, 04:27:16 PM »
Now, just like a lot of things in this life, once we achieved our goal, nobody quite knew what to do next.  We had plans for more moon landings, and we had already built and planned at least two more Apollo missions. The rockets are still in existence, on display in Houston and Florida.  

Certainly, The Apollo System and Saturn V were expensive.  But the reality of it was that most of those costs had already been sunk, and winding down from R&D to building to production.  I've tried to look up the numbers, and the costs to keep Saturn V running were not bad by modern standards.  

We had one last pisser for the Russians, we launched a space station so big (Skylab) that it was almost bigger than all the other space stations they had launched combined, and is still almost as big as the ISS which consists of multiple modules launched one at a time and assembled over decades.  And we did this in one launch, in the mid-70's.  

Few people know this, but in order to launch an Apollo CSM we had a little rocket called I think the Saturn I, which was really just a Saturn rocket without all the stages. This is what we used to launch crews to Skylab.  

Skylab was so large that they could do gymnastics on it.  By comparison the ISS looks small and cramped.  


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Re: OT Artemis II
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2026, 04:31:52 PM »
Most people don't really understand this, but the first few Apollo missions were fairly short.  They got there, they hopped out, stayed maybe a day and made some excursions, and took off.  The last three missions were called J missions.  These are the ones with the rover, they stayed up to 3 days, and explored multiple kilometers.  The first three missions (11, 12, 14) were limited by how far they could walk.  15,16, 17 were only limited by supplies (power, electricity, etc).  We were very close to establishing long duration bases on the moon that would be permanent and supplied.  The Saturn V was at the start of it's life, it could have been easily upgraded to carry more cargo, and as systems evolved (lighter, more powerful computers) it is 100% assured we could have had much more presence on the moon.  

But political forces conspired, the public lost interest, and they cancelled the Apollo Program before the last two flights were even flown and pivoted to something called the space shuttle.  

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Re: OT Artemis II
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2026, 04:35:23 PM »
Now, I really don't want to diss on the space shuttle too much, because as a Gen X, this thing literally personifies the 80's for me. 

When this thing was in early stages, they knew that they wanted something cheaper.  This was recognized decades ago, even in the early 70's they knew we couldn't keep throwing our rockets away after each use.  

The space shuttle promised reusability and low cost.  Everything except the exterior tank was to be re-used.  The shuttle itself, the engines (most expensive part),  the solid rocket boosters.  

NASA even partnered with the Air Force and military, and part of what drove the shuttle design was for what the air force wanted, not necessarily what NASA needed.  

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Re: OT Artemis II
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2026, 04:38:36 PM »
I read some worry about the heat shield.  They reenter much faster than things in orbit.  

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Re: OT Artemis II
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2026, 04:39:49 PM »
@Gigem 

Thanks for the posts and all the detail.  I always look forward to space program posts from you!

 

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