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Re: OSU and reality
« Reply #168 on: October 31, 2019, 07:43:05 AM »
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2017/03/23/same/

Oh, and Einstein didn't say that, and it does not sound like something he would have said.

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« Reply #169 on: October 31, 2019, 07:56:49 AM »
It's beem attributed to him or Ben Franklin,but how does the guy you quoted really know?If he asked him then there you have it.Obviously it's to late to ask either of them.But the point still stands in that discussion.I've read a little on Albert and they said he had a sense of humor - so it's certainly not out of the realm
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Re: OSU and reality
« Reply #170 on: October 31, 2019, 07:59:07 AM »
There are various quote finders on line, if all of them say it's misattributed, I figure it is.

And as I said, it doesn't sound like a thing Einstein would say.  English was obviously not his first language.  A lot of his quotes were in German originally and translated, like "God does not play dice", which he did say, but it's translated.

He was not a fan of quantum uncertainty.  His EPR paper is still discussed.

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Re: OSU and reality
« Reply #171 on: October 31, 2019, 08:02:28 AM »
What's EPR a soccer Term like QBR ::)


Peter Baskerville

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Updated May 11, 2017



This quote is generally attributed to Einstein in most online quote collections, however there seems to be significant debate about the authenticity of this attribution. Others like Mark Twain, an old Chinese proverb and Benjamin Franklin have also been suggested as the originators, but general consensus concludes that they have a significantly lesser claim than Einstein.


The earliest claim is that Einstein used and published the quote in his "Letters to Solovine 1951" however no specific reference has yet been supplied from that source. There is apparently an attribution to Einstein using this quote in a transactions of the North American Wildlife and Natural Resources Conference, Volume 71, p. 54, Wildlife Management Institute, published in 1975 although according to Bill Hood's answer, this volume was actually published in 2006.


Other verifiable evidence of the quote's original authorship come from:


  • Rita Mae Brown's 1983 novel, Sudden Death, published by Bantam Books, New York p.68 (attributed to Jane Fulton)
  • Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) pamphlet - Step 2: A promise of Hope, p10, James G. Jenson, 1980.
  • Narcotics Anonymous - The Basic Text of Narcotics Anonymous which was copyrighted in 1981. It is found on page 11 of the final "Review Form" which was distributed to the fellowship in November of 1981. The quote in that text is "Insanity is repeating the same mistakes and expecting different results". The quote appears on page 25 of this pdf - 

My read of it all is that Einstein was too smart to define the broad scope of insanity in such narrow terms. However, the quote has been used effectively by Alcoholics Anonymous for many decades to drive home a simple point in a specified context and so I think it most probably originated from someone in that organisation like Dr. Silkwood or Bill Wilson, possibly as far back as the 1930's.





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Re: OSU and reality
« Reply #172 on: October 31, 2019, 08:35:41 AM »
https://www.aps.org/publications/apsnews/200511/history.cfm

The EPR paper is a famous one from the period where quantum mechanics was being discussed (and disputed).  Einstein had a very deterministic view of the universe.  QM was/is clearly contrary to that view, so he fought against it, or more correctly he challenged it as being incomplete.

Werner Heisenberg, Niels Bohr and others who helped create the theory insisted that there was no meaningful way in which to discuss certain details of an atom’s behavior: for example, one could never predict the precise moment when an atom would emit a quantum of light. But Einstein could never fully accept this innate uncertainty, once famously declaring, “God does not play dice.” He wasn’t alone in his discomfort: Erwin Schrödinger, inventor of the wave function, once declared of quantum mechanics, “I don’t like it, and I’m sorry I ever had anything to do with it.”

In a 1935 paper, Einstein, Boris Podolsky and Nathan Rosen introduced a thought experiment to argue that quantum mechanics was not a complete physical theory. Known today as the “EPR paradox,” the thought experiment was meant to demonstrate the innate conceptual difficulties of quantum theory. It said that the result of a measurement on one particle of an entangled quantum system can have an instantaneous effect on another particle, regardless of the distance of the two parts.

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« Reply #173 on: October 31, 2019, 09:05:15 AM »
I guess you can see why I'm confused what's allowed around here and what's not. 

Also, apparently I'm a "global moderator."  What exactly does that mean?  Does that mean there are peons here who have to get my coffee? 
We don't really have rules on it. More common sense than anything. I don't think there has been much over any line here, except for one post, maybe. One was very insulting.


What we don't want is to be tagged by the google machine, so mentioning names of politicians is not good here. One part of this site is insulated from that now, I believe.
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« Reply #174 on: October 31, 2019, 09:07:58 AM »
We have not needed "rules" here in the past, and I think it would be great if we can continue in that vein.

Common sense covers many ills.

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« Reply #175 on: October 31, 2019, 09:20:37 AM »
I've loved JT from his first game.  You will find no JT bashing from me.  Urbs loved him because he was smart, hardworking, dependable, and didn't mind being used as a hammer in the run game.  But there are other facts:

1. Haskins was and Burrow looks to be first round draft picks.
2. Urbs has more or less said he didn't think Cardale Jones would be successful replacing JT.
3. Saban more or less said they would've beat OSU if JT played.
4. As far as youth, Justin Fields is looking pretty good for a second year player who has only been on campus for less than a year.
5. Haskins had the best passing season in B1G history as a redshirt sophomore.
6. OSU made the playoffs during JT's redshirt freshman year.

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« Reply #176 on: October 31, 2019, 09:21:32 AM »
I think Ohio State is the best team in the country right now.  It sucks but that's the reality.  Recently seeking entertainment by reading Notre Dame message boards after Michigan's beat down of the Irish I noticed a common theme in many posts: fire Brian Kelly and hire Urban Meyer.

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« Reply #177 on: October 31, 2019, 09:40:59 AM »
We'll start at the top. Do you feel RS freshman Burrow was better than RS junior Burrow? Simple question, but it stay a lot about setting the table.

Moving on to the non-quantifible part. I think this is interesting because it's not at all unique to Urbs. Fans across the country assume their coach loves their not great QB to a fault. It's pretty common. At a point, we must ask, are all these coaches watching hours of practice films and misjudging all of it (maybe), or are fans by and large built to believe what they've hardly seen is better than what they often see? This is not to say it's 100 percent one way or the other, only that this common feeling might be endemic in the kind of optimism we see in ourselves.

The Schiano thing speaks to another sort of splintered perspective. You're saying the coach would've addressed it early on. I assume you mean early last season, maybe after the suspension? Because here's the thing. You know who built the two best OSU defenses in the Urbs era? That'd be Schiano. His first two were better than Ash's, notably better. Should he have been fired after doing that back-to-back years? Or are we prisoners of rather emotional moments.

(Also worth noting, the new OSU DC was demoted by Michigan, basically passed over twice, and now has this. Maybe it's just the odd nature of CFB at play?)

The larger point is this, it's one of entitlement. OSU fans assume these are 15-0 teams and it is incumbent upon the coaches not to mismanage them down to only playoff teams. There is no thought that it's hard to be that good, that consistently contending, that there's an easy fix if only some young player were handed the job without putting in the work. We ignore the oddity of the sport, the fact almost no one goes undefeated and only one team wins each season. Perhaps the earlier part is how sports should be and really is, but I remain skeptical.

I know, I know, I'm 2 days late and a dollar short. But I do like this post.

Joe Burrow this year is Heisman caliber amazing. Joe Burrow last year (I think it was a M*ch fan on this site) was campaigning that he was the worse QB (with some qualifier) and had stats to back it up. I only remember this because I was saying if you remove the 1st 2 or 3 games where his stats were pathetic; he was a decent QB the rest of the season. Joe Burrow as a freshman looked the part to become an amazing QB, but we don't have enough data to make absolutes about his freshman campaign. 

Of course you are right that the coach has hundreds if not thousands of hours of tape and practice on who his QB is. We the fans, get one maybe two practices and game day. We fans also have selective memory, for OSU we all remember Jackson (starter) Germaine (backup) fiasco ("It cost us a national title!") Backups and Rookies tend to get a performance bump, because like us fans opposing coaches and defenses haven't had a chance to study him as well.  I really think the "No Tape On Jones", helped OSU win the 14 title. He looked world beater those 3 games, but seemed human the next year... So, it becomes obvious that the backup is better, especially when the backup can do something the starter has struggled with. 

For me the entitled OSU fan, it has always been Beat M*ch*g*n, contend for the B1G Title, and let the beauty pageant pieces fall where they may. From my observations this year OSU has looked the part of one of the top 4 teams, but I'm not a voting member of the beauty pageant, so I'll keep rooting that we beat that team up north and contend for the B1G title. I do think PSU, TTUN, and (assuming) Wisconsin have the talent and coaching staff to upset the Buckeyes.

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Re: OSU and reality
« Reply #178 on: October 31, 2019, 09:47:22 AM »
You always do this. One poster says something, then you attribute it to all OSU fans or all Big Ten fans. Asinine.

I agree.

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« Reply #179 on: October 31, 2019, 10:11:10 AM »
I don't expect much from you and you never fail to disappoint You paint with a wide brush and expect it to be taken as gospel.Many kids made ohio states record possible,and many of them are employed on Sundays.JT played football he's not marching off to war.So save the he put his body on the line bullshit .You competely ignore the points about Haskins/Burrow.Other teams didn't have those two sitting behind an arm punter.You comparing roses to ragweed.You've not watched or read about anything presented except what you pull out of your very dank crevasse.Saban didn't stand pat and played a freshman quarterback -that's a fair comparison.Meyer just kept trying the same broken thing - with out trying.If you can't see that I can't help you.By Einsteins definition - that's insanity.Meyer trotted out the very same thing that just failed entirely on CFB biggest stage 4 months later in spring ball.NOB laid it out pretty simple for you and both Haskins & Burrow have amply demonstrated what Buckeye fans were inquiring about.I've never said JT or any other student athlete "sucks"I did point out there were what turned out to be better options that Urban Meyer at 5 million a year chose not take.
There’s a lot in there, much about how what persons never actually did is held in high regard compared to what someone actually did that contributed to a national title. you point out JT failed on a big stage, the implication is some second year QB wouldn't have. I reject that premise.

(I also point out that if Burrow crapped the bed vs Clemson, we’d have laments about him years later)

The Saban part is again a comparison of convenience. We wouldn’t say a third stringer should be put in by OSU at the start of the playoffs this year, even thought it’s the only way OSU has claimed a title this decade. But Saban aligns with the common benching desires.

I look at the part where you say I’ve not read or watched anything but what I pull from my ... well. And the issue is the opposite. I seen too much. I’ve seen it all through your eyes. I’ve seen more than a decade, close to a decade and a half of this message board, and Close to 20 years on message boards at large. I have seen my own fan base call for benching‘s of between nine and 11 of its past 12 starting quarterbacks. And I have been told they tried to bench the three before that too. Ohio State had a run of five consecutive quarterbacks which they were deeply dissatisfied with, at least four who they called to be benched, two of them were. I’ve heard how SO many backup QBs would’ve changed things and how so many coaches don’t know what they’re doing.

JT and his ups and downs weren’t special. They were painfully mundane. The response is the same as it always is and always was.

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Re: OSU and reality
« Reply #180 on: October 31, 2019, 10:13:56 AM »
I think Ohio State is the best team in the country right now.  It sucks but that's the reality.  Recently seeking entertainment by reading Notre Dame message boards after Michigan's beat down of the Irish I noticed a common theme in many posts: fire Brian Kelly and hire Urban Meyer.


I have thought this for several weeks, and of course, "fans" think hiring some new coach is a panacea.

I think Kelly is doing a pretty decent job at ND considering.  They have lost their recruiting advantages I think from 1980.

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« Reply #181 on: October 31, 2019, 10:16:59 AM »
Kelly doesn't SUCK, but Irish fans like many helmet school fans want greatness

Urban has shown he can deliver
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