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Topic: Orange Post Game: #3 Georgia 34, #2 Michigan 11

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Re: Orange Bowl: #2 Michigan (12-1) vs. #3 Georgia (12-1)
« Reply #266 on: December 29, 2021, 07:11:48 PM »
his agent would obviously beg him not to play, but I think the kid is passionate and sincere and would play in the Camping World bowl vs Clemson
Hutchinson is getting ton of buzz for #1 overall pick. ESPN's draft "gurus" Todd McShay and Mel Kiper both have him going #1. PFF has him going #1 in their mock as well. Latest CBS Sports mock has him going #1 as well. 

Last years #1 overall pick got a $37 million contract with $25 million fully-guaranteed. You'd have to be an idiot to play in a meaningless bowl game and risk losing that kind of money if you were a serious contender to be the #1 overall pick.

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Re: Orange Bowl: #2 Michigan (12-1) vs. #3 Georgia (12-1)
« Reply #267 on: December 29, 2021, 08:07:19 PM »
A good coach would tell him the same

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Re: Orange Bowl: #2 Michigan (12-1) vs. #3 Georgia (12-1)
« Reply #268 on: December 29, 2021, 09:03:04 PM »
Hutchinson is getting ton of buzz for #1 overall pick. ESPN's draft "gurus" Todd McShay and Mel Kiper both have him going #1. PFF has him going #1 in their mock as well. Latest CBS Sports mock has him going #1 as well.

Last years #1 overall pick got a $37 million contract with $25 million fully-guaranteed. You'd have to be an idiot to play in a meaningless bowl game and risk losing that kind of money if you were a serious contender to be the #1 overall pick.
if this is the case, playing against Georgia doesn't make good financial sense
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Re: Orange Bowl: #2 Michigan (12-1) vs. #3 Georgia (12-1)
« Reply #269 on: December 29, 2021, 09:16:33 PM »
if this is the case, playing against Georgia doesn't make good financial sense
you'd be right, except that game is not a meaningless game. there is a national title at stake here and major legacy implications on the line. if he just goes out there and flat out balls out vs Georgia and Bama like he did vs Ohio State and leads Michigan to it's first national title in 25 years....the guy will probably lock up the #1 overall spot- that won't even be a discussion anymore- and he'll be a living legend in Ann Arbor until the end of his days and live in immortality in Ann Arbor forever. He'd be right up there with Woodson in terms of legacy. Guy would be as legendary as legendary gets. Probably the only guy to ever play at Michigan that would be more iconic is Woodson.

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Re: Orange Bowl: #2 Michigan (12-1) vs. #3 Georgia (12-1)
« Reply #270 on: December 29, 2021, 09:20:52 PM »
oh, I agree, but is all that worth 10 million dollars???

it seems reasonable to protect your future for a couple million in the outback bowl

wouldn't it also seem reasonable to protect your 10 million vs Georgia???

asking Dax Hill???
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Re: Orange Bowl: #2 Michigan (12-1) vs. #3 Georgia (12-1)
« Reply #271 on: December 29, 2021, 09:26:25 PM »
oh, I agree, but is all that worth 10 million dollars???

it seems reasonable to protect your future for a couple million in the outback bowl

wouldn't it also seem reasonable to protect your 10 million vs Georgia???

asking Dax Hill???
Dax ain't going to be a top 5 pick. He'll probably sneak into the late 1st rd because he'll blow the doors off the combine, he's 6'+ and 190+, and he can play CB, Nickel, or Safety.

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Re: Orange Bowl: #2 Michigan (12-1) vs. #3 Georgia (12-1)
« Reply #272 on: December 29, 2021, 09:32:45 PM »
and Dax might be smart enough to protect his bank

I'd much rather have 11 Hutchinson's on my team than 11 Hill's, but if your gonna say a kid is smart for skipping the alamo, then ya gotta call Hutchinson dumb for playing vs Georgia

or, you can just say they are both young kids doing what they wanna do w/o too much logic either way

just because there might be another game for Hutchinson, that increases his risk, but "might" give him a shot at a trophy that could be worth an undetermined amount of $$$, doesn't make it a smart decision to play another game before the draft
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Re: Orange Bowl: #2 Michigan (12-1) vs. #3 Georgia (12-1)
« Reply #273 on: December 29, 2021, 09:52:53 PM »
PFF's two highest graded secondaries in college football are....Georgia and Michigan.


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Re: Orange Bowl: #2 Michigan (12-1) vs. #3 Georgia (12-1)
« Reply #274 on: December 29, 2021, 11:03:16 PM »
oh, I agree, but is all that worth 10 million dollars???

it seems reasonable to protect your future for a couple million in the outback bowl

wouldn't it also seem reasonable to protect your 10 million vs Georgia???

asking Dax Hill???
?? Dax’s NFL brother he was with over Christmas tested positive for COVID. He didn’t travel because he tested positive as well or was a close contact and Michigan didn’t want to risk spreading it. He’s rumored to be on his way to Miami now after testing negative. He wasn’t skipping a playoff game for draft status if that is what you are suggesting.

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Re: Orange Bowl: #2 Michigan (12-1) vs. #3 Georgia (12-1)
« Reply #275 on: December 29, 2021, 11:11:11 PM »
wasn't suggesting it

as you can see upthread, I asked why Dax wasn't with the team
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Re: Orange Bowl: #2 Michigan (12-1) vs. #3 Georgia (12-1)
« Reply #276 on: December 30, 2021, 12:13:27 PM »
so according to Jim per his presser today, Dax still not in Miami. Jim said he could get in tonight, but did not expand on that or clarify anything. 

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Re: Orange Bowl: #2 Michigan (12-1) vs. #3 Georgia (12-1)
« Reply #277 on: December 30, 2021, 12:16:09 PM »
if he's not with the team, the team can't test him for COVID
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Re: Orange Bowl: #2 Michigan (12-1) vs. #3 Georgia (12-1)
« Reply #278 on: December 30, 2021, 02:37:01 PM »

ORANGE BOWL
#2 Michigan Wolverines (12-1) vs. #3 Georgia Bulldogs (12-1)
Friday @ 7:30 - Miami, FL - ESPN
As recently as Thanksgiving we were discussing where this Georgia defense ranked among the all time greats; and that at least Harbaugh got Michigan to bounce back to pre-2020 levels, which weren't all that satisfying to Michigan fans at the time.  My how the tables have turned.  Michigan went out and beat Ohio State for the first time in a decade, and Harbaughs first time ever, before clobbering Iowa in the Big Ten title game.  Then Georgia got absolutely torched by an Alabama offense that struggled the previous week to score against Auburn.  So did we learn something, or are we overreacting to one week?  Vegas still likes Georgia by two scores, but I'm not so sure.  I don't think the Wolverines can take the top off this defense like Alabama did with Jameson Williams; but I think we might see more Donovan Edwards than we have to date.  The true freshman struggled to bust through the dynamic top pairing of Hassan Haskins and Blake Corum, for good reason; but I think he has the potential to be the best pass catching back in the country next year.  He showed flashes this year, and I would let him give even more.  For both teams, the key is winning first and second downs.  You don't want either Cade McNamera or Stetson Bennett in obvious passing downs.  The Wolverines dispatched the Buckeyes by running the ball over them on first down, and giving Josh Gattis the entire playbook to use.  If Michigan can run the ball as effectively against Georgia on first down, I think they'll win just as easily.  I just don't think this Georgia front seven will wilt like Ohio State did.  Can Gattis figure out a way to run the ball?  Will he use J.J. McCarthy in new ways?  He's been primarily a running threat, with a couple of deep shots per game.  He clearly has the most upside, but in Michigan's sole loss, when they blew a 16 point second half lead, McCarthy had a pair of fourth quarter fumbles.  They say to put your money where your mouth is, but I guess I'm refusing to put my mouth where my money is.  I already put in a bet for Michigan to win straight up, but now that I'm typing it, I'm just worried that Georgia is just Michigan, with better players.
GEORGIA 28, MICHIGAN 24


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Re: Orange Bowl: #2 Michigan (12-1) vs. #3 Georgia (12-1)
« Reply #279 on: December 30, 2021, 04:13:20 PM »
been reading/watching a lot of breakdowns on this game. Not making any predictions, but I think it'll be a battle and basically a toss-up, straight up pick 'em. I do think it's going to be very close, like 2-4 points.

Georgia is a great team, but 5 reasons why I think Michigan can win; 

1) Stetson Bennett vs the Michigan edge rushers and pass defense. I think this is advantage Michigan. Stetson Bennett has been very bad when pressured- as all QB's are, but his QB rating vs MUG pressure looks was literally worst in P5 according to PFF. Bennett's record and stats vs Top 10 teams are also pretty bad. His stats/record is vs Top 10 ranked teams:

W-L: 2-3
Comp %: 52.9%
YPA: 6.9
TD-INT: 7-6

Fair or unfair, he's going to have weight of the world on his shoulders this game and he's got to prove he can win a big game vs a top 10 team and play at a high level. And he's going to have to come through if Georgia is to win. I think both QB's will have to really show up if they want to lead their team to a victory. Not dominate the game or anything- but obviously need better completion % and TD-to-INT ratio than the above. Need to take the opportunities when they are there, make accurate throws and not make the big mistake and take sacks and turnovers.


2) Explosive plays. Michigan leads the nation on offense in plays of 50 yards or more with 17. They also lead the nation of plays of 60 yards or more, and are tied for first place with plays of 70 yards or more. They've been creating explosive plays in all different ways, against everyone they've played. When you do that time and time and time again, to me that says it's just part of your offense. Gattis has done some very creative things with misdirection, trickery, and window dressing to create space, get guys loose, and hit big plays. And Michigan has tons of speed at WR and RB. Maybe even more than Georgia. AJ Henning and Roman Wilson at WR are speed demons. Blake Corum and Donovan Edwards are legitimately way faster than any RB that Georgia has. White and Cook just don't have the gear Corum & Edwards have. Wilson, Henning, Corum, or Edwards get creases in space, they can house it. These are all legit 4.3/4.4 guys. And then their lead WR Cornelius Johnson who is 6'3, 210+ is one of those big guys that is a lot faster than he looks. And then rotation guys Mike Sainistril and Andrel Anthony have both had moments and games where they were the go to guys. It's a deep than expected unit, with some very fast guys.

3) Special Teams. They have maybe the best all-around special teams unit in the nation. They have been just awesome this year. No other way to put it. Their kicker and punter are excellent. Their return game is excellent. Their coverage teams are excellent. Their punt block unit is excellent. They very well may have the best special teams in the nation. It's way up there.

4) JJ McCarthy wrinkles. People mistakenly view him as just a runner apparently. That he is not. He's a pocket QB that can run. He's thrown almost twice as many passes as he's had runs this year and if you rate the 10 best throws of any Michigan QB this year- he's probably got 9 of them. And he's only thrown 42 passes. He is completely different than McNamara and he makes the opposing defenses have to prepare for extra things and provides real "juice" and ability to threaten the entire field with his arm and call run plays with his legs, and gives the other team something different to have to prepare for. He could be a legitimate X-factor in this game if they give him enough snaps and call the right plays for him. He reads the end on that zone read option excellently and he has the wheels to turn the corner and gain 5-10-15-20 yards. He consistently has made the correct reads whenever they've run this stuff with him- although it's been rare- only about 20 of those type of designed plays through 13 games- his other 3 runs were scrambles. McCarthy has only about 65 offensive touches (42 passes, 23 rushes) but he's scored 6 TD's (4 passing, 2 rushing) and all four of his TD passes were pretty god damn impressive throws. His arm is definitely ridiculous. NEED TO SEE MORE OF IT. Just the little wrinkle he adds that the defense has to account for and adjust to- and his raw talent and ability to provide a spark or big play- could be a real X-Factor in this game.

5) Momentum. Michigan really just caught fire the last 4-5 weeks of the season after that MSU loss. They just got hot. And that's when you want to get hot- in November. They rebounded after a disastrous loss to MSU after they completely collapsed on the road up 16 by physically man-handling a crappy Indiana team. Previous Michigan teams might've wet the bed and went into the tank after a demoralizing loss like that where they basically blew a double digit lead in the 4th. They responded with physicality and aggression on both lines of scrimmage. Can't tell you how many times I've seen Michigan play lazy and down to competition- see Rutgers towards start of the year. Following week after bouncing back from horrible MSU loss by taking care of their business vs Indiana, Ojabo & Hutchinson physically just man-handled Penn State up front. They wrecked that offensive line. Clifford was making magic happen, and if he wasn't as mobile as he is- he might've been killed that day. And Michigan didn't blow a game late in the 4th QTR on the road. They made huge plays late in the 4th down the stretch to win vs a very physical Penn State defense on the road in Happy Valley- which to me is the toughest place to play in the conference. Happy Valley is not a fun place to have to play at, at all. Following week they just demolish Maryland on the road. After that they steam-roll Ohio State physically on both lines of scrimmage and win by double digits, and then after slaying their literal dragon, when it could've been very easy to maybe have a hangover and still be drunk on that emotion- they just handled business and absolutely steam-rolled and demolished Iowa in the B1G CCG. Which- everyone thought they'd probably beat Iowa- considering Iowa's offense is atrocious- but Iowa plays top notch defense and they play top notch special teams- and they just got steam rolled. If that team is still in that mind-set, still playing hungry and with a chip on their shoulder and for each other- that can be a dangerous team- when a team just gets hot at the very end of the season the last 4-5 weeks and it all just comes together for them.

 

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