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Topic: Orange Post Game: #3 Georgia 34, #2 Michigan 11

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Re: Orange Bowl: #2 Michigan (12-1) vs. #3 Georgia (12-1)
« Reply #210 on: December 24, 2021, 10:10:29 AM »
Not if the rest of the country is above 95%.....you need something to compare it to.
What's your point ? I was referring to the 49-4 Georgia record when

UGA HAS BEEN FAVORED BY +6 SINCE 2017 IN 53 GAMES.
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Re: Orange Bowl: #2 Michigan (12-1) vs. #3 Georgia (12-1)
« Reply #211 on: December 24, 2021, 10:13:37 AM »
Did the article say how often the beat the line?  Usually it's pretty close to even splits, with a few exceptions like ND.


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Re: Orange Bowl: #2 Michigan (12-1) vs. #3 Georgia (12-1)
« Reply #212 on: December 24, 2021, 11:19:00 AM »
George Pickens continuing to weave way back into Georgia offense (247sports.com)

He tested positive for, you know, the Thing.  Expected to play though.  He's a difference maker at WR but still a bit limited.

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Re: Orange Bowl: #2 Michigan (12-1) vs. #3 Georgia (12-1)
« Reply #213 on: December 24, 2021, 12:54:15 PM »
I'm still mystified by the spread on this game.  I'd call it even myself.  I suppose the bettors think the UGA D will show up, and maybe they will.

I keep noting most games that are competitive hinge on turnovers, which are largely unpredictable.  UGA had two bad ones with Bama, without those, or with two in return, it would have had a very different score.
yeah, I am a little perplexed myself by the line as well.

Michigan is 11-2 ATS this year, best in the nation, UGA is 8-5.

The two games they didn't cover the spread- Rutgers and Michigan State. They were favored by 20 vs Rutgers, won by 7. Rutgers was a weird game, they were up 20-3 at half and McNamara missed two TD passes or they'd have been up even more. Second half they came out flat, dead, not wanting to be there almost- were never in danger of actually losing- but they should've steam-rolled Rutgers that 2nd half like they did first.

Michigan State- they were favored by 4 on the road, wound up losing by 4. They were up 16 points late in the 3rd QTR and should've been up 23 pts (bs overturned Aidan Hutchinson touchdown on D) - and wound up basically collapsing in the 4th QTR and Kenneth Walker III ran wild all over their asses, wound up losing 37-33.

Both of those were just kind of weird games. The 2nd half vs Rutgers they were just flat. And late in the 3rd and for the entire 4th QTR they just completely crapped their pants on the road vs Michigan State in a game that until that point they were in control of.

Their other 11 games they covered the spread. Michigan was under-dogs in two games, +2.5 @ Wisconsin and +7 vs Ohio State, and they won both games by double digits. They beat Wisconsin by 21 and Ohio State by 15.
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Re: Orange Bowl: #2 Michigan (12-1) vs. #3 Georgia (12-1)
« Reply #214 on: December 24, 2021, 01:03:22 PM »
As I noted, often beating the spread is a result of turnovers, and vice versa.  I think it's an underappreciated factor in outcomes because it's largely unpredictable.


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Re: Orange Bowl: #2 Michigan (12-1) vs. #3 Georgia (12-1)
« Reply #215 on: December 24, 2021, 01:10:44 PM »
As I noted, often beating the spread is a result of turnovers, and vice versa.  I think it's an underappreciated factor in outcomes because it's largely unpredictable.
Well Michigan hasn't generated that many turnovers on defense, but at the same time they haven't turned it over much on offense. When you're beating the spread 90% of the time- I'd say that's a trend- that Vegas isn't doing a good job evaluating/predicting a team properly- and that it's something probably not dependent upon turnovers- especially when said team isn't great at generating turnovers.

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Re: Orange Bowl: #2 Michigan (12-1) vs. #3 Georgia (12-1)
« Reply #216 on: December 24, 2021, 01:14:29 PM »
Yeah the line seems a little wide. SP+ has it around Georgia -6. No big Michigan injuries I'm aware of, not sure why it is growing. My guess is people don't Michigan can run the ball on Georgia and can't do much if they aren't running the ball.

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Re: Orange Bowl: #2 Michigan (12-1) vs. #3 Georgia (12-1)
« Reply #217 on: December 24, 2021, 01:15:30 PM »
I merely note that WHEN a team fails to beat a spread, or beats it handily, it's often because of TOs.  That is unrelated to how many they may generate or cause over an entire season.  

When UGA loses to a dog, it's usually because of a rash of TOs in my experience, like the USCe game a couple years back.  And it's largely unpredictable.

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Re: Orange Bowl: #2 Michigan (12-1) vs. #3 Georgia (12-1)
« Reply #218 on: December 24, 2021, 02:10:56 PM »
Yeah the line seems a little wide. SP+ has it around Georgia -6. No big Michigan injuries I'm aware of, not sure why it is growing. My guess is people don't Michigan can run the ball on Georgia and can't do much if they aren't running the ball.
yeah, who knows what is going on with that line, but I think I like it. This Michigan team is big on the dIsReSpEkT. Paul Finebaum was on ESPN basically mocking Cade McNamara, the line has Georgia as heavy favorites, and all they'll be hearing is that they can't beat Georgia.

I honestly think it's better to be in that position than to have everyone patting your backs telling you how great you are. Like the great Woody Hayes used to say, "If anyone pays you a compliment, kick 'em in the shins, unless it's a lady over 80.".

I like teams that play pissed off, have chips on their shoulders and play with edge. The game is a nasty, miserable, suffering, brutal, line of scrimmage game. Always has been. The teams that are the nastiest and toughest up front, usually win. Michigan has been a pretty soft team up front for like 20 years. This is the first time in a long time they've played with edge. I attribute a lot of that to Hutchinson. He's an infectious leader, plays 100mph non-stop, and his passion and effort rub off on those other guys up front. Going to really suck losing him to the NFL.  

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Re: Orange Bowl: #2 Michigan (12-1) vs. #3 Georgia (12-1)
« Reply #219 on: December 24, 2021, 02:11:57 PM »
I merely note that WHEN a team fails to beat a spread, or beats it handily, it's often because of TOs.  That is unrelated to how many they may generate or cause over an entire season. 

When UGA loses to a dog, it's usually because of a rash of TOs in my experience, like the USCe game a couple years back.  And it's largely unpredictable.
Oh. Ok. Got ya. Having said that, throw all the numbers and stats away. I don't think they can predict anything. I truly believe these are two very closely matched teams. It will be a battle. Team with the ball last might be the one that wins it.

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Re: Orange Bowl: #2 Michigan (12-1) vs. #3 Georgia (12-1)
« Reply #220 on: December 24, 2021, 02:17:42 PM »
I think college spreads aren't as reliable as NFL. I was watching ESPNews one Sunday morning recently and they had the show I was watching (Fantasy Football Now) in the main screen but a sidebar with a whole bunch of data on the upcoming NFL games. Almost every team was within one game of .500 ATS. I doubt you see that in college results NEARLY as often.  

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Re: Orange Bowl: #2 Michigan (12-1) vs. #3 Georgia (12-1)
« Reply #221 on: December 24, 2021, 02:18:50 PM »
2022 signee and early enrollee 5* CB Will Johnson (6'3, 190) - the #20 player overall in the nation and #4 CB in the 247Composite- has been practicing with the Michigan team during their Orange Bowl practices. He'll also be flying down with the team to practice in Florida. Too bad he can't play lol.

Kid will have bowl practices + spring practices + fall camp. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say he'll be a starter in 2022 or at very least play a ton. He's drawn comparisons to Stephon Gilmore and Richard Sherman. His father played safety at Michigan and had a brief stint in NFL- but was not the physical specimen or highly touted recruit that son Will is.

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Re: Orange Bowl: #2 Michigan (12-1) vs. #3 Georgia (12-1)
« Reply #222 on: December 24, 2021, 02:19:48 PM »
forecast for the Orange Bowl; clear skies, low 70s, with light breeze. Perfect weather for a night game in Florida. 


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Re: Orange Bowl: #2 Michigan (12-1) vs. #3 Georgia (12-1)
« Reply #223 on: December 24, 2021, 02:22:48 PM »
I think college spreads aren't as reliable as NFL. I was watching ESPNews one Sunday morning recently and they had the show I was watching (Fantasy Football Now) in the main screen but a sidebar with a whole bunch of data on the upcoming NFL games. Almost every team was within one game of .500 ATS. I doubt you see that in college results NEARLY as often. 
NFL teams talent-wise are more evenly matched. Plus, kids vs grown men. I think it's probably more common for kids to ride waves of emotion, play up or down to competition, and have personal/school problems bleed into games. Probably not as much for NFL players, who are seasoned vets and well, professionals.

Literally grown-ass men vs boys.

 

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