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Topic: Orange Post Game: #3 Georgia 34, #2 Michigan 11
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Mdot21 · « **Reply #70 on:** December 06, 2021, 06:51:08 PM »

https://twitter.com/statsowar/status/1467929487044083713?s=20

SuperMario · « **Reply #71 on:** December 06, 2021, 07:45:37 PM »

McCarthy has a higher ceiling but also a lower floor. A lot more playing time would signal bad news for the game for Michigan fans.

Mdot21 · « **Reply #72 on:** December 07, 2021, 11:53:20 AM »

Quote from: SuperMario on December 06, 2021, 07:45:37 PM

McCarthy has a higher ceiling but also a lower floor. A lot more playing time would signal bad news for the game for Michigan fans.

I think he's gotten enough playing time/meaningful snaps in big-games to handle the pressure. Kid just oozes confidence and ability. He repeatedly comes into games cold, gets no extended playing time or easy throws to get into rhythm- just comes off the bench cold and does amazing shit. It's crazy. His arm talent is elite. He's got a strong arm but he knows how to throw with touch and accuracy- he doesn't shoot everything 100mph- he changes ball speed and trajectory as need be- that's super impressive for a kid with arm strength. Most kids with a gun try to throw everything 100mph and miss because of it (see: young Chad Henne). He's super twitchy and athletic. Only knock I see on him right now is his size. He needs to bulk up, needs to add like 15-20 pounds to that frame and he's golden.

There is no way they are going to be able to keep him on the bench in 2022. And to be frank with you, I think Michigan would have a much better shot vs Georgia and Alabama if JJ was the starting QB. His ability to run the ball in the zone read option and also roll the pocket and throw accurately on the run and his ability to push the ball down the field makes Michigan's offense much more difficult to defend. They can come at you from all angles when he's in the game. Cade is super limited. Can't do any of that. His only saving grace is: he won't turn the ball over very much if at all.

Mdot21 · « **Reply #73 on:** December 07, 2021, 12:07:55 PM »

didn't know this, but Michigan leads the nation with explosive 50+ yard plays on offense with 17.

also: interesting stat from the Ohio State game; even though Michigan ran the ball 66% of the time, their run game was so explosive that Ohio State actually had more time of possession.

People keep talking about "speed".... well Michigan has oodles of it on offense. Never seen them have this many WR's/RB's/TE's that can run.

RB's Blake Corum & Donovan Edwards are legit 4.4 home-run hitters. When is the last time Michigan had RB's that can go the distance? Been a very long time. Both of them are also threats in the passing game out of the backfield. Erick All is the fastest TE I've ever seen play at Michigan- which ain't saying much- they haven't had a lot of fast TE's- but the dude can absolutely scoot for a 6'4, 250+ pound guy.

WR's Roman Wilson & AJ Henning are absolute speed demons. Wilson is one of the fastest guy in the B1G, he ran 4.32 at the NIKE Opening his junior year in HS and Henning was a track star in HS who was running 10.6's in the 100m and probably would've been an OMERRG FIVE STARZZZ recruit if a horrific injury didn't disrupt his high school career. He was still a top 100 recruit with that injury.

And then you have Mike Sainistril, Andrel Anthony, and Cornelius Johnson- who are all capable of making plays. Sainistril has elite short area quickness/burst but lacks the elite top end speed. Andrel Anthony is a true frosh who has flashed big-time potential with his excellent ball skills & run after the catch ability. And Cornelius Johnson is a 6'3, 200+ kid that can run past people.

They don't have that dominant #1 guy- but they have speed all over the place on their offense.

Wonder if Xavier Worthy is kicking himself for bolting for Texas.

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #74 on:** December 07, 2021, 01:30:03 PM »

Quote from: Mdot21 on December 07, 2021, 12:07:55 PM

didn't know this, but Michigan leads the nation with explosive 50+ yard plays on offense with 17.

also: interesting stat from the Ohio State game; even though Michigan ran the ball 66% of the time, their run game was so explosive that Ohio State actually had more time of possession.

People keep talking about "speed".... well Michigan has oodles of it on offense. Never seen them have this many WR's/RB's/TE's that can run.

RB's Blake Corum & Donovan Edwards are legit 4.4 home-run hitters. When is the last time Michigan had RB's that can go the distance? Been a very long time. Both of them are also threats in the passing game out of the backfield. Erick All is the fastest TE I've ever seen play at Michigan- which ain't saying much- they haven't had a lot of fast TE's- but the dude can absolutely scoot for a 6'4, 250+ pound guy.

WR's Roman Wilson & AJ Henning are absolute speed demons. Wilson is one of the fastest guy in the B1G, he ran 4.32 at the NIKE Opening his junior year in HS and Henning was a track star in HS who was running 10.6's in the 100m and probably would've been an OMERRG FIVE STARZZZ recruit if a horrific injury didn't disrupt his high school career. He was still a top 100 recruit with that injury.

And then you have Mike Sainistril, Andrel Anthony, and Cornelius Johnson- who are all capable of making plays. Sainistril has elite short area quickness/burst but lacks the elite top end speed. Andrel Anthony is a true frosh who has flashed big-time potential with his excellent ball skills & run after the catch ability. And Cornelius Johnson is a 6'3, 200+ kid that can run past people.

They don't have that dominant #1 guy- but they have speed all over the place on their offense.

Wonder if Xavier Worthy is kicking himself for bolting for Texas.

Yes- I posted after the game that OSU won the time of possession ant turnover battle- and nearly the same total yards.

they couldn’t run, or stop the run. End of story.

MikeDeTiger · « **Reply #75 on:** December 07, 2021, 06:05:31 PM »

I just read this whole thread.

So, should UGA just forfeit, or what?

Seems like they don't stand a chance.

MikeDeTiger · « **Reply #76 on:** December 07, 2021, 06:09:59 PM »

Quote from: Mdot21 on December 06, 2021, 10:25:22 AM

I don't doubt that JT Daniels would be a better option than Bennett for a second. Kirby has proven he'll go with the inferior talent at QB- dude picked freaking Jake Fromm over the generational talent that was Justin Fields and it cost him a shot at a national title. They are playing for a title in 2018 & 2019 if he had just handed the reins over to Fields.

Pfft.

Urban went with....whoever that was....over Burrow, not only a generational talent but arguably the best college QB to ever play the game. He must suck at picking QBs. Like Kirby.

And Justin Fields was an excellent QB, obviously one of the best of his final year. Calling him "generational" is....generous. I'm not sure what about his time at UGA would've made him an obvious pick for Kirby, just like I'm not sure what about Burrow's time at Ohio State would've made him the obvious pick. Getting that wrong in hindsight does not necessarily constitute a poor decision.

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #77 on:** December 07, 2021, 06:10:24 PM »

Quote from: MikeDeTiger on December 07, 2021, 06:05:31 PM

I just read this whole thread.

So, should UGA just forfeit, or what?

Seems like they don't stand a chance.

Ha! You have to give MDOT some leeway.

He hasn’t had a ton to get excited about for a while- and now he does for real. He is getting it out of his system. I don’t blame him one bit

Mdot21 · « **Reply #78 on:** December 07, 2021, 06:10:48 PM »

Quote from: MikeDeTiger on December 07, 2021, 06:05:31 PM

I just read this whole thread.

So, should UGA just forfeit, or what?

Seems like they don't stand a chance.

if they want to, that'd be great, yeah.

no one is saying they don't stand a chance. we are saying that -7.5 line is ridiculous, Georgia starts a HS QB and their D was, well...overrated. That defense is a Don Brown special if you ask me.

MikeDeTiger · « **Reply #79 on:** December 07, 2021, 06:13:13 PM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on December 07, 2021, 06:10:24 PM

Ha! You have to give MDOT some leeway.

He hasn’t had a ton to get excited about for a while- and now he does for real. He is getting it out of his system. I don’t blame him one bit

I know how he feels. When we beat Bama for our once-a-decade win, it went straight to my head too. I probably shouldn't discount the high one must get from finally beating OSU

Mdot21 · « **Reply #80 on:** December 07, 2021, 06:18:05 PM »

Quote from: MikeDeTiger on December 07, 2021, 06:09:59 PM

Pfft.

Urban went with....whoever that was....over Burrow, not only a generational talent but arguably the best college QB to ever play the game. He must suck at picking QBs. Like Kirby.

And Justin Fields was an excellent QB, obviously one of the best of his final year. Calling him "generational" is....generous. I'm not sure what about his time at UGA would've made him an obvious pick for Kirby, just like I'm not sure what about Burrow's time at Ohio State would've made him the obvious pick. Getting that wrong in hindsight does not necessarily constitute a poor decision.

Yeah, no.

Fromm was the definition of average. Fields was the 3rd highest rated QB recruit ever. Ever. He was a 5*, the #2 player in the nation- the #1 player that year? Trevor Lawerence. Fields was a generational talent for a program like Kirby Smart's Georgia- which hasn't had a real life QB in Kirby's entire 6 year run there. It's literally one of the only things that has held Kirby from breaking through. He had that guy on his roster- and he said....nah.

Urban went with Dwayne Haskins over Burrow- a guy that was a 5* recruit and wound up being a Top 10 NFL draft pick who had a bigger arm than Burrow- and who in his 1 year as a starter threw for like 5,000 yards and 50 TD passes in a single season. Hard to say Urban made the wrong choice, when Burrow was barely a 4* recruit who hadn't really done anything to separate himself at Ohio State. Burrow's first year at LSU- he was incredibly pedestrian. What happened in Burrow's final year- no one could have ever in a million years foreseen that happening. Burrow just really click with Joe Brady and developed into a superstar. It happens.

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #81 on:** December 07, 2021, 06:24:05 PM »

Quote from: Mdot21 on December 07, 2021, 06:18:05 PM

Yeah, no.

Fromm was the definition of average. Fields was the 3rd highest rated QB recruit ever. Ever. He was a 5*, the #2 player in the nation- the #1 player that year? Trevor Lawerence. Fields was a generational talent for a program like Kirby Smart's Georgia- which hasn't had a real life QB in Kirby's entire 6 year run there. It's literally one of the only things that has held Kirby from breaking through. He had that guy on his roster- and he said....nah.

Urban went with Dwayne Haskins over Burrow- a guy that was a 5* recruit and wound up being a Top 10 NFL draft pick who had a bigger arm than Burrow- and who in his 1 year as a starter threw for like 5,000 yards and 50 TD passes in a single season. Hard to say Urban made the wrong choice, when Burrow was barely a 4* recruit who hadn't really done anything to separate himself at Ohio State. Burrow's first year at LSU- he was incredibly pedestrian. What happened in Burrow's final year- no one could have ever in a million years foreseen that happening. Burrow just really click with Joe Brady and developed into a superstar. It happens.

Plus- Burrow seriously hurt his hand in spring ball when he and Haskins were competing for the job.

Mdot21 · « **Reply #82 on:** December 07, 2021, 06:38:40 PM »

so...Georgia has 40 sacks on the season and Michigan has 34.

5 of Georgia's sacks however are from Adam Anderson, a kid that is no longer on Georgia's team because of criminal charges. So, for purposes of this comparison, let's say Georgia has 35 sacks to Michigan's 34, as all the players who have accumulated Michigan's 34 sacks are still on the team and actually playing.

30.5 of Michigan's 34 sacks have come from their Defensive Line. Roughly 90%. Michigan's book-end DE's Hutchinson (14 sacks) & Ojabo (11 sacks) alone combine for 25 of those sacks. Michigan has the highest pressure rate when rushing 4 in the country according to the PFF. They don't blitz much, because no one can handle the combination of Hutchinson & Ojabo. This is a massive advantage for their defense when facing opposing passing games.

14.5 of Georgia's 35 sacks have come from their Defensive Line. Roughly 41%. Georgia does not have a single DL or player in double digit sacks. Their leading sack artist is their MLB Nakobe Dean with 5. Their #2 leading sack artist is another ILB, Channing Tindall with 4.5 sacks.

These numbers seem to suggest to me what my eyes were telling me from that Alabama game, their pressure/sack rate is heavily dependent on blitzing their LB's and DB's. They don't consistently get pressure with 4. If you can scheme up to handle the blitzes you can gain big chunks on them. Bama QB, OL, and RB did fantastic job stone-walling their blitzes and torching them on the back-end. More I look into them, more they remind me of a "Dr. Blitz" Don Brown style defense.

Mdot21 · « **Reply #83 on:** December 07, 2021, 06:45:34 PM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on December 07, 2021, 06:24:05 PM

Plus- Burrow seriously hurt his hand in spring ball when he and Haskins were competing for the job.

yeah forgot about that- this allowed Haskins to gain the advantage and he never relinquished it. No one could foresee Burrow developing like he did his final year at LSU. That was unprecedented.

Anybody with a set of freaking eye ball could see that Justin Fields was destined for the top 10 of the NFL Draft and Jake Fromm was destined to sell life insurance.

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